Does this statement from the Koran indicate Mohammad was tolerant of Jew's and Christions ?

[polm]

Here are 3 different translations:

2-63:

YUSUFALI: Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

PICKTHAL: Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.

SHAKIR: Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the f Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.

 

[Stark]

You really want to go there?

Mohammed changed his tune as he got older and became the prophet with the sword. Actually since Allah was supposed to have told Mohammed what to say, I guess Allah changed his mind and went from being cool with the other "people of the book" to being really ticked off with them.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

To answer you question: no, he was not especially tolerant. Although there are many who have been less tolerant.

 

[Stark]

Well, let me pull out my translation of the Koran and see what it says...

from Al-Anfal ("Spoils of War")

8:65 O Messenger. rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.

8:74 Those who believe, and adopt exile, and fight for the Faith, in the cause of Allah as well as those who give (them) asylum and aid,- these are (all) in very truth the Believers: for them is the forgiveness of sins and a provision most generous.

8:75 And those who accept Faith subsequently, and adopt exile, and fight for the Faith in your company,- they are of you. But kindred by blood have prior rights against each other in the Book of Allah. Verily Allah is well-acquainted with all things.

from At-Tauba ("The Repentance"):

9:5 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

9:29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book [Jews and Christians], until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

9:111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

from Muhammed:

47:4 Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah's Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.

 

[syzygy]

the verse in itself should not be a commentary against the quran unless ofcourse you apply a literalist and ahistorical spin.

surah 47 appears to be an early medinese verse (post-hijra) and seems to be spurring the nascent 'community of believers' to fight -
possibly their first fight (badr) - where they raid a quraysh caravan. there is alot more to be said. many tomes have been written on
these few verses alone over the centuries. helps to remember that.

 

[kt]

The first time I read the thread title, I thought it said "Korean". Wondering wtf do the Korean have to do with Mohammad and Jews..

 

[pg22]

The first time I read the thread title, I thought it said "Korean". Wondering wtf do the Korean have to do with Mohammad and Jews..

What are "races that white people in America hate", Alex!

 

[Stark]

Originally posted by: syzygy
the verse in itself should not be a commentary against the quran unless ofcourse you apply a literalist and ahistorical spin.

surah 47 appears to be an early medinese verse (post-hijra) and seems to be spurring the nascent 'community of believers' to fight -
possibly their first fight (badr) - where they raid a quraysh caravan. there is alot more to be said. many tomes have been written on
these few verses alone over the centuries. helps to remember that.

:Q