Does this scare you?

Nitemare

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Feb 8, 2001
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When you inject a foreign body/organism into your system you are asking for trouble.
 

Gunslinger08

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My wife is considering getting the vaccine because she's a teacher. I think this will deter her.
 

Linflas

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Since there is not even any agreement among doctors that this is anything more than a psychological reaction on her part not it does not scare me.
 

Wonderful Pork

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Of course getting a disease/ailment like this scares me, however Doctors are saying she did NOT get it from the Flu vaccine.

Woman claiming she acquired dystonia from a flu shot may have it all in her head

On the October 16, 2009, Fox News show, "The O'Reilly Factor", Dr. Leigh Vinocur from the University of Maryland Medical System offered an alternative cause to Ms. Jennings' syndrome. Dr. Vinocur stated that there have been no cases of dystonia associated with the flu vaccine and that neurology experts at the University of Maryland were using Ms. Jennings' case to teach neurology residents about psychogenic dystonia.

Another important detail in Ms. Jennings' story is that she acquired flu from the flu vaccine. This is a scientific impossiblity. The flu virus in the injected vaccine is dead, inactive. In the solution being injected, the virus has no cells in which to live and reproduce. Viruses are, by definition, obligate intracellular parasites. They need cells to live, grow, and reproduce. There has been no recorded case of acquired flu from the flu shot vaccine. Likewise, if true, Ms. Jennings would be the first case of dystonia as a result of the flu vaccine. Furthermore, the Food and Drug Administration did not find anything wrong or different about the lot of vaccine used.

Now, I'm not saying you can't get the flu after receiving the flu shot. Nor am I saying this girl doesn't have dystonia. Just that there is no causal link.
 

TheSlamma

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I know it's changed over the years but didn't things like formaldehyde and mercury also make it into vaccines back in the day? Not Like I'd ever get vaccinated anyway ;)
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Wonderful Pork
Of course getting a disease/ailment like this scares me, however Doctors are saying she did NOT get it from the Flu vaccine.

Woman claiming she acquired dystonia from a flu shot may have it all in her head

On the October 16, 2009, Fox News show, "The O'Reilly Factor", Dr. Leigh Vinocur from the University of Maryland Medical System offered an alternative cause to Ms. Jennings' syndrome. Dr. Vinocur stated that there have been no cases of dystonia associated with the flu vaccine and that neurology experts at the University of Maryland were using Ms. Jennings' case to teach neurology residents about psychogenic dystonia.

Another important detail in Ms. Jennings' story is that she acquired flu from the flu vaccine. This is a scientific impossiblity. The flu virus in the injected vaccine is dead, inactive. In the solution being injected, the virus has no cells in which to live and reproduce. Viruses are, by definition, obligate intracellular parasites. They need cells to live, grow, and reproduce. There has been no recorded case of acquired flu from the flu shot vaccine. Likewise, if true, Ms. Jennings would be the first case of dystonia as a result of the flu vaccine. Furthermore, the Food and Drug Administration did not find anything wrong or different about the lot of vaccine used.

Now, I'm not saying you can't get the flu after receiving the flu shot. Nor am I saying this girl doesn't have dystonia. Just that there is no causal link.

It's not real? It's all in her head? OK.... I'm sure she'll be glad to hear that diagnosis so she can stop thinking about it and have her symptoms disappear. :Q
 

Phoenix86

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
It does me. I realize it's a long shot that anyone gets this from a vaccine, but this girl got dystonia from the flu vaccine and look at her life now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGT0r-udstQ

I'll have to look at this later since I can't view at work, but how do they know the flu vaccine caused dystonia? Do you have an article to go along with this?
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: Phoenix86
Originally posted by: moshquerade
It does me. I realize it's a long shot that anyone gets this from a vaccine, but this girl got dystonia from the flu vaccine and look at her life now.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGT0r-udstQ

I'll have to look at this later since I can't view at work, but how do they know the flu vaccine caused dystonia? Do you have an article to go along with this?

articles here:

http://news.google.com/news?hl...1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn
 

surfsatwerk

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There is no evidence presented that indicates the flu shot had anything to do with her condition.
 

Fritzo

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Originally posted by: joshsquall
My wife is considering getting the vaccine because she's a teacher. I think this will deter her.

Yes, because this happens to one out of every two people that get a flu shot.


Or is it one out of 10 million. I forget.
 

rivan

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Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: joshsquall
My wife is considering getting the vaccine because she's a teacher. I think this will deter her.

Yes, because this happens to one out of every two people that get a flu shot.


Or is it one out of 10 million. I forget.

1:2
1:10^8

What's the difference, really. It's not as if anyone dies from the flu.
 

destrekor

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Nov 18, 2005
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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: Wonderful Pork
Of course getting a disease/ailment like this scares me, however Doctors are saying she did NOT get it from the Flu vaccine.

Woman claiming she acquired dystonia from a flu shot may have it all in her head

On the October 16, 2009, Fox News show, "The O'Reilly Factor", Dr. Leigh Vinocur from the University of Maryland Medical System offered an alternative cause to Ms. Jennings' syndrome. Dr. Vinocur stated that there have been no cases of dystonia associated with the flu vaccine and that neurology experts at the University of Maryland were using Ms. Jennings' case to teach neurology residents about psychogenic dystonia.

Another important detail in Ms. Jennings' story is that she acquired flu from the flu vaccine. This is a scientific impossiblity. The flu virus in the injected vaccine is dead, inactive. In the solution being injected, the virus has no cells in which to live and reproduce. Viruses are, by definition, obligate intracellular parasites. They need cells to live, grow, and reproduce. There has been no recorded case of acquired flu from the flu shot vaccine. Likewise, if true, Ms. Jennings would be the first case of dystonia as a result of the flu vaccine. Furthermore, the Food and Drug Administration did not find anything wrong or different about the lot of vaccine used.

Now, I'm not saying you can't get the flu after receiving the flu shot. Nor am I saying this girl doesn't have dystonia. Just that there is no causal link.

It's not real? It's all in her head? OK.... I'm sure she'll be glad to hear that diagnosis so she can stop thinking about it and have her symptoms disappear. :Q

Doesn't scare me of vaccines one bit. I don't get the seasonal flu vaccines, because it's not a serious infection I'd be afraid to get. I'd rather save vaccines for the far more serious, often life threatening infectious agents. Meningitis and Hep B were my most recent vaccinations, along with Tetanus... I think.

But sorry, while getting something serious from a vaccine is scary, it's expected in rare odds. It WILL happen that something will be the result of a vaccine in a very small number of cases of our entire population, both the U.S. specific and world wide. It's the practice of creating a concoction of material to be injected into your body and play around with your immune system that serves as the risk. People need to be far more mindful of this fact... getting any vaccine carries its risks. Maybe less than 200 people in the entirety of the U.S. will develop some odd disorder, over a period of 10-20 years of the availability of a vaccine. Just because it is insanely rare, does not mean a vaccine is perfectly safe. All vaccines have the very real, but very rare risks attached to them. That's the price we pay for developing injections that can prevent normal infections in large numbers. You get a shot, you're gambling you won't win the lottery in this case. In this case, it's a lottery full of suck.

That won't prevent me from getting seriously important vaccinations, especially if they are vaccinations for something we are trying to create herd immunity for and establish our country as free of that infection. I'll eventually get the smallpox vaccine from the Army. It has risks, but it's pretty important.

But for things like the flu? Hell no I'm not messing with my immune system for something like that. I don't enjoy being sick for a week, but I'd rather not get some stupid vaccine for it. Yes, the vaccine creates the same natural immunity as would actually getting the infection, all without the immune response to infection. But, I like effective nature. And I figure I'm pretty hardheaded about life being about the survival of the most worthy for our species, I might as well put myself right in line with that and gamble that my body will prove itself worthy for some 80 or 90 healthy years, but that bears the risk that something will bring me down at the young age of 22 as well. That's a better gamble in my mind. More enjoyable too. :p Knowing that I'm passing on a successful batch of genetics to future children is great. Just need this damn genetic experiment on my color vision problems and I'll be ecstatic.
 

surfsatwerk

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Originally posted by: rivan
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: joshsquall
My wife is considering getting the vaccine because she's a teacher. I think this will deter her.

Yes, because this happens to one out of every two people that get a flu shot.


Or is it one out of 10 million. I forget.

1:2
1:10^8

What's the difference, really. It's not as if anyone dies from the flu.

Billions of dollars in lost productivity in the workplace and thousands of people die from it or complications related to the flu.
 

skyking

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Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Originally posted by: rivan
Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: joshsquall
My wife is considering getting the vaccine because she's a teacher. I think this will deter her.

Yes, because this happens to one out of every two people that get a flu shot.


Or is it one out of 10 million. I forget.

1:2
1:10^8

What's the difference, really. It's not as if anyone dies from the flu.

Billions of dollars in lost productivity in the workplace and thousands of people die from it or complications related to the flu.

Check the batteries on your sarcasm meter, thousands of people of all ages die each year from the flu.
 

skyking

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One of our good friends has distonia, for her it is more facial tremors and other nerve problems in her face/throat area.
All they can do is treat symptoms.
 

AstroManLuca

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It is much more dangerous to not get a flu vaccine than it is to get one. People who are afraid of vaccines are imbeciles.
 

Phoenix86

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Interesting:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,568514,00.html
George Washington University Immunology Researcher Peter Hotez says flu shots are safe, according to MyFOXDC.

But Jennings does not feel the same way. She is placing all of her hope in her doctors, and physicians from ?Generation Rescue,? to help figure out a way to stop the progression of her disabling condition.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Rescue
Generation Rescue is a nonprofit organization that advocates the view that autism and related disorders are primarily caused by environmental factors, in particular by vaccines containing mercury.[1] These claims are biologically implausible and lack convincing scientific evidence; see thiomersal controversy.[2] The group gained awareness from an aggressive media campaign that sponsored full page ads in the New York Times and USA Today.

This case follows along with that pattern. Vaccine causes condition which can't be proved followed by a media campaign.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
It is much more dangerous to not get a flu vaccine than it is to get one. People who are afraid of vaccines are imbeciles.

Virii have a TREMENDOUS ability to evolve...so quick you can actually track it in a lab.

Things like MRSA/VRSA are with us for a reason.

I think we are setting ourselves up for the next plague personally.

People have grown too scared of the world they live in mostly through their own actions.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
It is much more dangerous to not get a flu vaccine than it is to get one. People who are afraid of vaccines are imbeciles.

Virii have a TREMENDOUS ability to evolve...so quick you can actually track it in a lab.

Things like MRSA/VRSA are with us for a reason.

I think we are setting ourselves up for the next plague personally.

People have grown too scared of the world they live in mostly through their own actions.

Also, the "flu vaccine" is just a guess as to which types of flu will hit this year. Last year they missed the boat with the predictions, and rendered the vaccine pretty much inadequate.
 

nick1985

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Originally posted by: Fritzo
Originally posted by: joshsquall
My wife is considering getting the vaccine because she's a teacher. I think this will deter her.

Yes, because this happens to one out of every two people that get a flu shot.


Or is it one out of 10 million. I forget.

lol
 
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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
It is much more dangerous to not get a flu vaccine than it is to get one. People who are afraid of vaccines are imbeciles.

Virii have a TREMENDOUS ability to evolve...so quick you can actually track it in a lab.

Things like MRSA/VRSA are with us for a reason.

I think we are setting ourselves up for the next plague personally.

People have grown too scared of the world they live in mostly through their own actions.

Exactly. If you get a shot for every little thing, eventually you're going to screw your immune system up.
I haven't looked into this ladies condition and any other reports of it happening due to a flu shot, but as a parent of a child with autism, I can speak on the debate on whether the mercury laden MMR (mumps measles and rubella) vaccine was a cause of my daughter and others autism. The "scientific" community wants everyone to think that it's safe and can have no harmful effects, but the large percentage of parents with children with Autism can trace back the 1st signs of their child showing autistic symptoms to right after the MMR jab. My daughter got violently ill after getting the MMR jab. She went from a normal 2 year old, that was able to use a fork/spoon and feed herself as well as a 2 year old can, and had words, to the next day (the day she got sick) to be completely non communicative and unable to do anything for herself. That was 6 years ago and she has not progressed much. She is just now starting to kind of be able to use a spoon.

Just because a vaccine has a low probability to cause harm, does not mean it can't. Those that deny that are lying to themselves.
Especially with flu vaccines, when pharmacy companies are pumping them out as fast as they can because people keep shouting doom and gloom because of the flu, corners get cut so product can get out the door.