Does POTUS have legal authority to wage war in Syria absent congressional approval?

[ivwshane]

Ignores communication with French president and reasons for NATO getting involved which do not include humanitarian reasons to post a fluff opinion piece about one of the actors in this deadly charade.

Why the hell would you think anybody cares what this authors opinion is about Blumenthal?

You realize both articles were drawing from sid's emails and the accusations came from Sid himself?

 

[JSt0rm]

Dude, you said the Republicans blocked him, not that he was smart for not going in. Had you not said the first false part, I would not have said you were wrong.

So you agree obama made the right decision based on the actions of the gop.

Good job fuck face.

 

[realibrad]

So you agree obama made the right decision based on the actions of the gop.

Good job fuck face.

No. Obama made what is likely the right decision not to go in, but it had nothing to do with the GOP. The GOP did not stop him, and his decision was based on other more important things. So your original statement that the GOP stopped him is still wrong.

 

[JSt0rm]

It had everything to do with the gop. You even admited as such.

You are autistic aren’t you?

 

[realibrad]

It had everything to do with the gop. You even admited as such.

You are autistic aren’t you?

No. The GOP did not have the ability to stop him. They voted against what was effectively him asking, but it was not needed if he wanted to engage. So, just because I believe he was right to not go in, does not change that your statement that the GOP stopped him is wrong. The GOP did not stop him, he stopped himself.

 

[JSt0rm]

Not needed for the first 60 days. You keep wrapping your brain around the idea that if he is revoked from acting longer then 60 days then that’s not stopping him because he can still act for 60 days. Something like military action doesn’t work like this.

 

[realibrad]

Not needed for the first 60 days. You keep wrapping your brain around the idea that if he is revoked from acting longer then 60 days then that’s not stopping him because he can still act for 60 days. Something like military action doesn’t work like this.

You are trying to go in circles.

Your statement that the GOP stopped him is wrong. He had 60 days to act, and another 30 to withdraw. People who were part of the decision and discussion have said that Obama did not want to go in, and was looking for an excuse to not go.

So again, your statement is wrong. Obama owns the decision, even if its the right decision in the long run.

 

[justoh]

Wasn't it because the British refused to allow Cameron to involve himself with yet another case of American aggression? It helps, image wise, otherwise you wouldn't have the proud nation of the federated states of micronesia declaring their support for previous aggression. US hegemony isn't legitimate unless it's ostensibly part of a coalition. If the country is insignificant enough, like the solomon islands, then you can just say they support the war even if they don't, but such a claim is more difficult the larger the islands. The UK is still relatively significant, to some people.

 

[JSt0rm]

You are trying to go in circles.

Your statement that the GOP stopped him is wrong. He had 60 days to act, and another 30 to withdraw. People who were part of the decision and discussion have said that Obama did not want to go in, and was looking for an excuse to not go.

So again, your statement is wrong. Obama owns the decision, even if its the right decision in the long run.

and in your expert opinion 60 days was enough?

 

[realibrad]

and in your expert opinion 60 days was enough?

I will not respond to that again. You were wrong when you said that the GOP stopped him. They did not.

 

[JSt0rm]

I will not respond to that again. You were wrong when you said that the GOP stopped him. They did not.

you wont respond because the answer nullifies your point. Autism.

 

[realibrad]

you wont respond because the answer nullifies your point. Autism.

No, because I already addressed it. You can find my answer and use it again if you wish. Like I said, you want to go in circles.

 

[JSt0rm]

the reality is the situation warranted longer then 60 days of engagement and the congress wouldn't go along with it. So instead of doing some half assed thing that wouldn't amount to shit Obama stayed out of it. So the gop blocked the longer engagement thereby putting us in the situation we are in today.

 

[Victorian Gray]

It really is not.

The United States arming terrorists "rebels" is the whole reason Syria is still a mess today. We fueled this slaughter.

Bullshit. It's shit like the following that sparked the conflict and continues to keep it going.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2016/08/syria-torture-prisons/

https://news.un.org/en/story/2014/0...ints-picture-unspeakable-horrors#.UvJBF2TAU1E

https://www.economist.com/news/midd...rminated-syrian-jails-assads-torture-dungeons

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ed-raped-charity-report-idUSBRE92C03N20130313

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...terhouse-amnesty-report-torture-mass-hangings

 

[realibrad]

the reality is the situation warranted longer then 60 days of engagement and the congress wouldn't go along with it. So instead of doing some half assed thing that wouldn't amount to shit Obama stayed out of it. So the gop blocked the longer engagement thereby putting us in the situation we are in today.

You justify it to yourself however you want, but your statement that the GOP blocked him is wrong.

 

[bshole]

Bullshit. It's shit like the following that sparked the conflict and continues to keep it going.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2016/08/syria-torture-prisons/

https://news.un.org/en/story/2014/0...ints-picture-unspeakable-horrors#.UvJBF2TAU1E

https://www.economist.com/news/midd...rminated-syrian-jails-assads-torture-dungeons

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ed-raped-charity-report-idUSBRE92C03N20130313

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...terhouse-amnesty-report-torture-mass-hangings

I clicked your second link and from your article I got this:

Syrian children have been subjected to “unspeakable” suffering in the nearly three years of civil war, with the Government and allied militia responsible for countless killings, maiming and torture, and the opposition for recruiting youngsters for combat and using terror tactics in civilian areas, according to the first United Nations report on the issue.

It notes that during the first two years of the conflict, most killings and maiming of children were attributed to Government forces, but mainly due to increased access to heavy weapons and the use of terror tactics opposition groups increasingly engaged in such acts in 2013.

“Armed opposition groups also engaged in the summary execution of children,” it says, reporting that lack of access, including for security reasons, prevented the UN from systematic documentation.

According to the article you provided. The opposition is engaged in "terror tactics in civilian areas". These are the guys with the good guy sign painted on them. What do I think happens if we aid them in taking power? They will genocide the living shit out of their opponents.

I do not believe this is worth engaging Russia over. I do know that Trump is getting MASSIVE pressure from everybody to engage. If he does engage, which is highly likely, I believe it could become perhaps the biggest disaster in American history involving full on conflict with Russia, Turkey and Iran (very unlikely but possible). It could be a conflict where REAL and consequential numbers of Americans die.

Here is a novel idea. How about presenting the WORLD with incontrovertible evidence that the Syrian government did this and not the rebels? Don't tell the world you have evidence, prove it. I am past ever believing my government on matters like this. Iraq cured me of that.

I will ALWAYS support a UN humanitarian mission to Syria but not this, never this.

 

[JSt0rm]

You justify it to yourself however you want, but your statement that the GOP blocked him is wrong.

is the statement you quoted wrong?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

To OP: Apparently, the answer is yes.

 

[TheVrolok]

To OP: Apparently, the answer is yes.

Pretty much.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Pretty much.

Under the commonly used criteria, this appears to pass muster as it's a one time strike and we're out. Whether it's wise is one thing but this isn't a protracted campaign at this time.

 

[luv2liv]

Mexico is paying for the airstrike.
so it's ok. no problemo

 

[realibrad]

is the statement you quoted wrong?

You keep trying to shift the discussion, but this is what you said.

republicans blocked obama from acting in syria before.

That is not true.

 

[bshole]

Under the commonly used criteria, this appears to pass muster as it's a one time strike and we're out. Whether it's wise is one thing but this isn't a protracted campaign at this time.

Lets do a quick run of the numbers, double the size of the last strike so about 105 tomahawk missiles.... 1.9 million a pop and kazaam,.... nearly 200 million dollars blown up just like that.

Congratulations to Raytheon, your millions of dollars in contributions and lobbying has paid a rich reward again.

It really is a gift that just keeps giving isn't it?

 

[senseamp]

Well, Congressional Republican cucks just let him do it anyways, so who cares about their approval?

 

[JSt0rm]

You keep trying to shift the discussion, but this is what you said.



That is not true.

^^
this is what capitulation looks like to an autistic person.