Does Obama Get Credit for Death of SOPA? Update: Rs are bailing on SOPA/PIPA

[Genx87]

The one that might sign a bill that might be restructured and then might be passed by congress. That's a lot of mights that you just assume will turn into definites.

And you base this bad guy label on this potential legislation? I base on legislation and initiatives he has already passed.

 

[BoberFett]

Developing nations are competing with our aerospace, pharmaceutical, moving picture, and software industries?

If you hadn't noticed, they're catching up quickly. Laugh all you want, China will overtake us and laugh as we argue about who invented what.

 

[Fern]

SOPA would have put the onus on internet service providers and search engines and whatnot to ensure that any content they served was not infringing on anyone's IP. It would have allowed the courts and gov't to force same ISPs and other intermediaries to remove websites that allegedly contained infringing content without having to prove anything.

Basically, it would have enacted the American version of China's Great Firewall.

Thanks.

I've been reading more about it since I posted the above.

Looks to me like there's an additional provision of some importance; upon a complaint your (the website's) payments via CC companies will be automatically stopped after 5 days. (Perhaps this is no longer in the bill?)

Even though I'm not sure I understand the bill fully, seems to me this lacks any element of 'due process' and would therefore be in violation of the 5th Amendment. I.e., looks unconstitutional to me.

Fern

 

[Fern]

I'm talking about the Right Wing Media echo chamber.

I don't see why you guys constantly feel the need to misstate, or exaggerate, the facts to try to score your 'points'.

They may not have given Obama the amount of praise you felt due, but to lie and say they gave him none just isn't true.

Even some of talking heads on Fox gave him some credit. I know, I heard it myself.

Are there some on the right who wouldn't give him any credit? I think so. But again, that's different than your blanket statement.

Both sides praise Obama and take some credit for themselves

Conservative pundit Rush Limbaugh offered rare support for Obama — with a subtle shot at the president’s success.

“We need to open the program today by congratulating President Obama,” he said on his radio show Monday. “President Obama has done something extremely effective, and when he does, this needs to be pointed out.”

Even some of the president’s most dogged conservative critics, like former Vice President Dick Cheney or Rep. Pete King (R-N.Y.), the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, acknowledged the president deserved commendation.

http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...e-obama-credit-and-take-a-little-of-their-own

Fern

 

[Darwin333]

It would be nice if someone could concisely explain SOPA and the uproar about it to a non-IT professional like myself.

Every thing I've stumbled upon so far is too esoteric and jargon laden to glean any real understanding of the issue.

(As far as motive, after the pipeline deal I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Obama merely delay until after the election to avoid the political backlash.)

Fern

Here you go:

http://blog.reddit.com/2012/01/technical-examination-of-sopa-and.html

 

[BoberFett]

So for all of you slobbering over Obama "killing" SOPA...

http://judiciary.house.gov/news/01172012.html

It's not dead. It's just resting.

 

[Fern]

Here you go:

http://blog.reddit.com/2012/01/technical-examination-of-sopa-and.html

Thanks.

After reading that I'm reminded of why I chose the sig I have.

Fern

 

[dank69]

Just received a follow up letter from my congressman.

Dear Daniel,
Knowing your interest in the ongoing debate over the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA), I wanted to update you on some recent developments.
Over the past several weeks I have heard from thousands of constituents who, like you, are deeply concerned about SOPA's approach and the speed at which this process is moving forward. I agree, and that is why I publicly opposed the bill on January 17, 2011 and called for a new approach. Click here to read a Hartford Courant story about my opposition to SOPA.
Over the weekend, the White House urged content creators and internet platform providers to work together on voluntary measures that would reduce online piracy. While I believe that this is a good start, I believe we need to go even further and encourage the inclusion of consumers in the discussion as well. Ensuring that voices like yours are heard from square one will ensure that a viable approach to addressing online piracy emerges in the end.

Online piracy is a serious problem that must be addressed, but doing so should not muzzle free speech, stifle innovation, or harm cybersecurity. SOPA as it exists today fails that standard, and it should be scrapped entirely. An axe instead of a scalpel, this bill would unacceptably and fundamentally change the architecture of the internet. The Judiciary Committee should start from scratch and craft a solution that ensures due process from a public entity that resolves infringement issues.

Despite the growing opposition to SOPA, this legislation's supporters still plan to move it forward. Please feel free to contact me to ensure that your voice is heard on this critical issue.



Sincerely,
JOE COURTNEY
Member of Congress

See his original reponse to my inquiry about SOPA in this thread.

Just a tiny example showing that not all congressmen are out to fuck us over.

 

[rockyct]

Just received a follow up letter from my congressman.



See his original reponse to my inquiry about SOPA in this thread.

Just a tiny example showing that not all congressmen are out to fuck us over.

It just means he didn't get any money from Hollywood

 

[RavenSEAL]

Nope.avi

 

[lothar]

A few hours after Whitehouse officially speaks out against SOPA, Cantor shelves it.

Does Obama get any credit? All? None? Partial? Why or why not?

I think he should at least get partial credit.

I read somewhere that Darrel Issa was the one that forced Cantor to shelf it.

That said, it would have been better if Obama had made this decision from the very beginning instead of waiting for people to do online petitions and such.
Glad to see that he still made the right decision in the end.

 

[blankslate]

It's not dead it's just put on hold until everyone isn't paying attention. Do you really think that the media conglomerates have given all that money to lawmakers to give up so easily?

However, Obama does deserve credit for listening to the right people about these bills.

 

[dank69]

Far be it from me to not give credit where credit is due. Republicans are bailing on SOPA/PIPA after the blackout on wednesday. I hope more dems follow suit.

 

[lothar]

Far be it from me to not give credit where credit is due. Republicans are bailing on SOPA/PIPA after the blackout on wednesday. I hope more dems follow suit.

The idiot Harry Reid still intends to bring the bill to the Senate floor on Tuesday.

http://www.opencongress.org/wiki/Protect_IP_Act_Senate_whip_count
Most of the Republicans have bailed out, only mostly Democrats are left supporting this stupid act.

Wow...Some of the people I expected not to actually support this are doing so.
I've lost any respect I had for Al Franken, Diane Feinstein, Patrick Leahy, Jeff Bingamann, Chuck Schumer, John McCain, and Lindsey Graham.

The idiotic Senators Barbra Boxer, Dick Durbin, and Harry Reid I already had no respect for to begin with so their vote here changes nothing.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=32735326&postcount=6
I wonder what Ausm will say about this now.

 

[Ausm]

Congress indefinitely postpones SOPA and PIPA:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46072484/ns/technology_and_science-security/#.Txm0OlHy-gY

 

[Wreckem]

The bills have been tabled.

Its unlikely they will get a new bill passed in the next 6-7 months. I say 6-7 months because, there is August recess and then since it is an election year nothing of consequence will pass Sept-Dec because everyone in the House is in district campaigning. 2013 starts a new Congress, so SOPA and PIPA would have to start from scratch and go through the entire process. I doubt anything is passed until late 2013/early 2014.

 

[PokerGuy]

When it comes to this kind of stuff, organized criminal groups like the MPAA and RIAA will not just let all the money they paid to lobbyists go to waste. You'd better believe this will rear it's ugly head again, but under a different name. Eventually the public will grow weary and the legislators on the payroll will get it done for their masters.

 

[rockyct]

The idiot Harry Reid still intends to bring the bill to the Senate floor on Tuesday.

http://www.opencongress.org/wiki/Protect_IP_Act_Senate_whip_count
Most of the Republicans have bailed out, only mostly Democrats are left supporting this stupid act.

Wow...Some of the people I expected not to actually support this are doing so.
I've lost any respect I had for Al Franken, Diane Feinstein, Patrick Leahy, Jeff Bingamann, Chuck Schumer, John McCain, and Lindsey Graham.

The idiotic Senators Barbra Boxer, Dick Durbin, and Harry Reid I already had no respect for to begin with so their vote here changes nothing.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=32735326&postcount=6
I wonder what Ausm will say about this now.

SOPA/PIPA does generally fall under the pro-business interests of Republicans and not really surprising they bailed when it became a libertarian issue. However, it's really quite telling that the Democrats support it, and still support it even after the PR shit storm, because they get a ton of money from Hollywood interests. There's no chance for Republicans to stick their heads out for Hollywood even if they support the idea of the bill.

I do think this whole situation is actually a turning point for Congress. It really showed the influence the tech community has now in Congress (on the lobbyist side and on the grassroots level) even when arguing against dificult to understand legislation.

 

[monovillage]

Far be it from me to not give credit where credit is due. Republicans are bailing on SOPA/PIPA after the blackout on wednesday. I hope more dems follow suit.

Thanks for this post dank69 along with your previous post from you Congressman. My Congressman (r) had an open letter in today's paper saying he wasn't supporting it. It's what I was going to post, but your efforts rendered it moot. Thanks again for your straight shooting on the issue.