Does japanese schools skip WWII in their "history" class?

Zee

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Ive been searching google for like 25 minutes trying to find things about this.

anyway someone told me that in Japan they dont teach it in their schools. and that only recently the emperor admitted it and then only to acknowledge it but not to apologize. Is this correct?
 

slick230

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Don't know, but I'm sure they cover grammar, punctuation and capitalization. Unlike whatever school you attended... :disgust:
 

gentobu

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I think they teach WWII, without mentioning any of the war-crimes commited by thier army.
 

Spoooon

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Originally posted by: slick230
Don't know, but I'm sure they cover grammar, punctuation and capitalization. Unlike whatever school you attended... :disgust:

LOL.

They probably teach it the same way we learn about the Civil War and what not. They wait until you're old enough to actually handle the truth.
 

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I watched something on the History channel about this. Apparently they teach it but fail to mention anything about the US. I think thats an awfully big part to leave out but somehow they do it..
 

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Originally posted by: IamDavid
I watched something on the History channel about this. Apparently they teach it but fail to mention anything about the US. I think thats an awfully big part to leave out but somehow they do it..

So, if they leave out the "small" part the U.S. played, how do they explain those two rather large explosions at the end of the war? Oh, must have been Godzilla, right? That's why they created Godzilla, to explain away the whole Hiroshima and Nagasaki thing. I get it now...

 

IamDavid

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Originally posted by: slick230
Originally posted by: IamDavid
I watched something on the History channel about this. Apparently they teach it but fail to mention anything about the US. I think thats an awfully big part to leave out but somehow they do it..

So, if they leave out the "small" part the U.S. played, how do they explain those two rather large explosions at the end of the war? Oh, must have been Godzilla, right? That's why they created Godzilla, to explain away the whole Hiroshima and Nagasaki thing. I get it now...

lol.. I'm serious though. I couldn't understand it myself.. Just like when Paramount released "Pearl Harbor" they changed the ending in the Japanese release to better suit their version of "history".
 

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Siegfried Ramler sends us this from Hawaii:

"The recent skirmish over the approval and distribution of a Japanese school text, claiming that it whitewashes and omits Japanese acts and motivations leading up to and during World War II, is only the latest in a series of objections directed at the Japanese ministry of education to a sanitizing of Japanese history. While the current protests are raised by Korea , similar objections directed at the Japanese government have come frequently from China and from other Asian countries during the post-war period.

It helps to view this matter in perspective, recognizing that the Japanese ministry of education, the "mombusho", represents a traditionally conservative point of view on textbook issues, shared by nationalistic factions of the government. These factions are reluctant to face up fully to Japan's role and transgressions during the pre-war and wartime militaristic regime, and are particularly averse to presenting an unfavorable historical image to Japanese youth. This is in contrast to German educational policy, where school children are fully exposed to the study of crimes committed during the Nazi era and are routinely taken to view holocaust memorials.

The reason for this contrast lies in the differing circumstances in Germany and Japan under which World War II ended. Germany, in rising from the ashes after almost total destruction, found it natural and necessary to totally repudiate its Nazi past. There are only fringe exceptions to this repudiation. Japan, though it also replaced autocracy by a democratic constitution and a pluralistic government after the war ended, was spared total destruction and carried over to the post-war period its deep historical and cultural roots which are strongly linked to national pride. However, on the textbook matter, as on other domestic and international issues, it is important to stress that Japan as a democratic nation does not speak with a single voice and expresses a variety of views.

There is a broader and more fundamental aspect to this issue, calling for an exploration of the process of teaching history and of the use of texts and other instructional resources. Just as the atlas projects geographical entities from various perspectives, placing the nation to be focused into the center, and thus causing an intentional distortion, the same can be true of the teaching of history. Typically, the secondary curriculum in the United States offers courses labeled U.S. History, European History, Asian History, etc. Similarly, other nations offer nationally or regionally focused courses. A more balanced and global approach to the teaching of history would be the offering of a series of courses under the heading of world history , recognizing the interconnectedness of events affecting mankind and placing events happening in the home country into a global perspective. Yet nations and cultures provide individuals with their primary sense of belonging which tends to be reflected in the spirit and content of teaching. I would argue that there need be no conflict between a balanced approach to the teaching of history and a sense of loyalty and belonging to one's home country.

Another approach, more challenging for the teacher of history but arguably more effective and rewarding for the student, would be to do away with the textbook by a single author and replace it with a variety of materials, such as documents from primary sources, readings on the period under study from various perspectives, newspaper articles, and commentary from various countries. An example of such an approach , practiced in many schools and universities, might be the teaching and discussion of the U.S. involvement in Vietnam, still a sensitive issue open to various interpretations. The modern history of Japan, whether taught inside Japan or in another country, might be treated in the same manner, allowing the student to arrive at a perspective and understanding based on authentic and balanced information and analysis.

Of course, even this approach raises the question whether the teacher, in the selection of the materials, will be totally unbiased. Finally, whether in Japan or elsewhere, the issue comes down to the integrity of the teaching process in classrooms and to the spirit and content of teaching. An open, unbiased and humanistic approach to the teaching of history throughout the world , though impossible to legislate, is certainly a desirable and necessary goal.


from here
 

gentobu

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Originally posted by: slick230
Originally posted by: IamDavid
I watched something on the History channel about this. Apparently they teach it but fail to mention anything about the US. I think thats an awfully big part to leave out but somehow they do it..

So, if they leave out the "small" part the U.S. played, how do they explain those two rather large explosions at the end of the war? Oh, must have been Godzilla, right? That's why they created Godzilla, to explain away the whole Hiroshima and Nagasaki thing. I get it now...

They call it the 'second impact'. ;)
 

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Originally posted by: Dacalo
they censor every heinous cr@p they did

not to be anti-US or anything, but, I wonder what our history teachers/textbooks/government leave out about it..(maybe nothing, but, who would really know...)
 

RyanM

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It's no worse than us glossing over what our forefathers did to the Native Americans and other indiginous peoples.

All school history is stylized and the bad stuff removed. What's new?
 

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Originally posted by: DanFungus
Originally posted by: Dacalo
they censor every heinous cr@p they did

not to be anti-US or anything, but, I wonder what our history teachers/textbooks/government leave out about it..(maybe nothing, but, who would really know...)
Precisely.
They filter their past activities, as we surely must as well.
 

Novgrod

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anybody interested in this should read _The Language Police_, which details intentional omissions from US textbooks based on sensitivites to this and that group.

The good news is this: in the US anyway, more schools are getting away from textbooks and reading stuff that was written in the time they're studying, so everybody profits.

As for Japan, I can't comment other than to say that I know for a fact the WWII museum doesn't mention Pearl Harbor.

And to say that anybody who wants a really exceptional read about the war in the Pacific should read _War Without Mercy_ by (i think) Bruce Dower.
 

datalink7

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Originally posted by: godmare
Originally posted by: DanFungus
Originally posted by: Dacalo
they censor every heinous cr@p they did

not to be anti-US or anything, but, I wonder what our history teachers/textbooks/government leave out about it..(maybe nothing, but, who would really know...)
Precisely.
They filter their past activities, as we surely must as well.

I don't know... at the high school I went to the history books seemed pretty bent on pointing out every transgression that the US has perpetuated in (note that they did point out good stuff as well).
 

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Originally posted by: MachFive
It's no worse than us glossing over what our forefathers did to the Native Americans and other indiginous peoples.

All school history is stylized and the bad stuff removed. What's new?

Yeah, it's the same kinda thing, same as us not talking about how we supported Saddam Heussein in the 80s. No one, especially people in politics, likes to admit hw screwed up.
 

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I can not say for sure about all schools in Japan, but I do know that schools do teach WWII history. However, at times, it would seem they condense all of Japan's atrocities during the war into one page in the whole textbook. I could definately compare this to learning about the concentration camps for Japanese-Americans, the Vietnam War, or other wrong doings by the United States when I was still in high school. I do not defend its current status, nor am I against it.
 

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The US does too, does that surprise you or something?
You think text books are factual?
 

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Originally posted by: Tyler
Originally posted by: MachFive
It's no worse than us glossing over what our forefathers did to the Native Americans and other indiginous peoples.

All school history is stylized and the bad stuff removed. What's new?
Yeah, it's the same kinda thing, same as us not talking about how we supported Saddam Heussein in the 80s. No one, especially people in politics, likes to admit hw screwed up.
Actually my AP American history teacher loves pointing things like this out to us. He points out things in the textbook that have been exaggerated or idealized .. or not mentioned at all.
 

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Most schools lie about WW2 today, including the US. Not overtly of course. For example, there is not much mention is made about the role Stalin's Russia had in defeating Hitler in most schools, and it's pretty doubtful WW2 could have been won without them. In fact the invasion of Russia by Germany in December 18, 1940 was the actual turning point in the war, here's an interesting snip:

"Hitler began his four-year campaign against Russia, sending 7.2 million troops who caught the Russian army off guard and were initially successful. By July 17 Germany was less than two miles from Moscow, and by August the Russian casualties exceeded three million. The attack was stopped in early winter, which immobilized the tanks and made it difficult for troop movement in general. The Russians, on the other hand, were adept at moving large bodies of soldiers in the snow and started a counter attack that brought the Germans into a retreat by the end of the year. One out of five German soldiers were killed, totalling at 1.44 million casualties. Perhaps Hitler should have quit earlier, while he was ahead.

The next summer, Germany launched a new offensive with three main objectives: to capture Leningrad, join the Flemish army, and cut off Moscow?s oil supplies by crossing the Volga river. The attack made it across the Volga and soon reached Stalingrad. By June, Hitler was prematurely telling his advisers that "Russia is finished." Hitler made the biggest error of his life (I'm not counting suicide as an error- in fact, it was one of his best) and decided to try to hold Stalingrad. His army was quickly surrounded by five Russian armies and over 200,000 Germans were taken prisoner, the rest managing to escape back to Germany. While in Russia, Hitler was so angered by their resistance that he ordered the killing of all Russian Jews and anyone related to Communism and, seeing that Russia was Communist, that meant all Russians. Germans shot 50-100 Russians for every one of their soldiers killed. The total Russian losses in the campaign exceeded 17 million as well as 1.7 million Jews. "

Since we get all our info from our educators, we naturally think we are getting the whole picture and others aren't. History is always taught that way I think. It's hard for most teachers to give a world view anywhere in the world without pissing off someone locally.