Question Does Intel CPU Really pwn/own AMD CPU

Status
Not open for further replies.

xxxpwlxxx

Junior Member
Aug 28, 2019
4
0
6
As above stated,

Is it true that AMD still can't matched with Intel CPU when it comes to gaming or max core base speed of the CPU?

I think I happened to saw/come upon this article /press release article last week or 2 week ago.


Where by Intel staff talking about i9 9990k and 3900x.

How do you think?

Ps, I am actually a newbie or computer dummy when it comes to CPU /PC or IT stuff.

Intel is a more old and experience cpu brand am I right?



This is nothing but a trolling thread.
It's locked now.


esquared
Anandtech forum Director
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Feb 4, 2009
34,576
15,787
136
Pro Tip don’t start off with troll posts. They typically don’t end well.

I’ll play along.....

First we need to define what pwn/own is.

If it is winning at all costs as in older design with less future opportunity plus vulnerability and supporting lazy engineering is winning then yes.
Simply put intels top machine out performs AMD by a few FPS in games like 105 FPS vs 101 FPS.
AMD does better in multi threaded stuff like video by a larger margin than intel but those tasks are limited.
Personally I give intel credit for a pretty old design that still is very competitive. I do not like how lazy they have become and the performance short cuts they took *see meltdown/specter.
I like how AMD has legitimately done something different while allowing older motherboard to gain the same performance which is sort of amazing and hasn’t been done before.

As far as which company is older, I believe it’s intel however AMD isn’t much newer at this point in time.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Thunder 57

Markfw

Moderator Emeritus, Elite Member
May 16, 2002
25,558
14,512
136
As far as Intel being around longer, its about 1987 when they started making PC microprocessors, and AMD started about 1996, so about 9 years, so about 32 years vs 23 years, not that big a difference.

As fas as performance MHZ does not count for everything these days. In fact at the same mhz, AMD beats Intel right now. As far as performance, in games, Intel has a few percent more FPS. At everything else, (for the most part) AMD wins. As far as value, upgradeability, and price, AMD wins everything except the "below $200" market, and that is a real change for AMD.

And @Fanatical Meat , your first statement is very true.
 

SarahKerrigan

Senior member
Oct 12, 2014
372
531
136
As far as Intel being around longer, its about 1987 when they started making PC microprocessors, and AMD started about 1996, so about 9 years, so about 32 years vs 23 years, not that big a difference.

As fas as performance MHZ does not count for everything these days. In fact at the same mhz, AMD beats Intel right now. As far as performance, in games, Intel has a few percent more FPS. At everything else, (for the most part) AMD wins. As far as value, upgradeability, and price, AMD wins everything except the "below $200" market, and that is a real change for AMD.

And @Fanatical Meat , your first statement is very true.

What? Intel made the processor in the IBM PC in 1983, and AMD had been a second source for quite a while as well - and then released the Am386 around 1991. Your dates are hugely off. By 1996 AMD had shipped the Am286, the Am386, the Am486, the Am5x86, and the K5.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
110,592
29,221
146
that's really quite desperate and obvious for a really crappy troll account.

I guess we're seeing the "payoff" for Intel purchasing AMD's old marketing team last year. :D
 
  • Like
Reactions: john3850

Markfw

Moderator Emeritus, Elite Member
May 16, 2002
25,558
14,512
136
What? Intel made the processor in the IBM PC in 1983, and AMD had been a second source for quite a while as well - and then released the Am386 around 1991. Your dates are hugely off. By 1996 AMD had shipped the Am286, the Am386, the Am486, the Am5x86, and the K5.
Sorry, my quick googling of the history seems close, my memory of those days is hazy (old fart) I remember the IBMPC well, I bought a leading edge in 1985, but I thought IBM made the 8088,80286, and the 80386 and the 80486. I thought thre pentium was the first Intel, but I guess that just the advertising.

So the bottom line is they have both been around since ~1983 ?
 
  • Like
Reactions: AnitaPeterson

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
110,592
29,221
146
Sorry, my quick googling of the history seems close, my memory of those days is hazy (old fart) I remember the IBMPC well, I bought a leading edge in 1985, but I thought IBM made the 8088,80286, and the 80386 and the 80486. I thought thre pentium was the first Intel, but I guess that just the advertising.

So the bottom line is they have both been around since ~1983 ?

Well, AMD was founded in 1969, and I think Intel was the same year at least, right? If not earlier.

Not sure what they were doing then, though: making toasters and microwaves? (obviously early transistors/CPUs for those gigantic warehouse computers or something....)

some quick Wiki'ing, and pretty interesting shared history between the two (both founded by frustrated engineers that fled from Fairchild Semiconductor:

Advanced Micro Devices was formally incorporated on May 1, 1969, by Jerry Sanders, along with seven of his colleagues from Fairchild Semiconductor.[5][6] Sanders, an electrical engineer who was the director of marketing at Fairchild, had, like many Fairchild executives, grown frustrated with the increasing lack of support, opportunity, and flexibility within the company, and decided to leave to start his own semiconductor company.[7] The previous year Robert Noyce, who had developed the first silicon integrated circuit in 1959 at Fairchild,[8] had left Fairchild together with Gordon Moore and founded the semiconductor company Intel in July 1968.[9]

In September 1969, AMD moved from its temporary location in Santa Clara to Sunnyvale, California.[10] To immediately secure a customer base, AMD initially became a second source supplier of microchips designed by Fairchild and National Semiconductor.[11][12] AMD first focused on producing logic chips.[13] The company guaranteed quality control to United States Military Standard, an advantage in the early computer industry since unreliability in microchips was a distinct problem that customers – including computer manufacturers, the telecommunications industry, and instrument manufacturers – wanted to avoid.[11][14][15][16]

In November 1969, the company manufactured its first product, the Am9300, a 4-bit MSI shift register, which began selling in 1970.[16][17] Also in 1970, AMD produced its first proprietary product, the Am2501 logic counter, which was highly successful.[18][19] Its best-selling product in 1971 was the Am2505, the fastest multiplier available.[18][20]

In 1971, AMD entered the RAM chip market, beginning with the Am3101, a 64-bit bipolar RAM.[20][21] That year AMD also greatly increased the sales volume of its linear integrated circuits, and by year end the company's total annual sales reached US$4.6 million.[18][22]

AMD went public in September 1972.[11][23][24] The company was a second source for Intel MOS/LSI circuits by 1973, with products such as Am14/1506 and Am14/1507, dual 100-bit dynamic shift registers.[25][26] By 1975, AMD was producing 212 products – of which 49 were proprietary, including the Am9102 (a static N-channel 1024-bit RAM)[27] and three low-power Schottky MSI circuits: Am25LS07, Am25LS08, and Am25LS09.[28]

Intel had created the first microprocessor, its 4-bit 4004, in 1971.[29][30] By 1975, AMD entered the microprocessor market with the Am9080, a reverse-engineered clone of the Intel 8080,[31][32][33] and the Am2900 bit-slicemicroprocessor family.[32] When Intel began installing microcode in its microprocessors in 1976, it entered into a cross-licensing agreement with AMD, granting AMD a copyright license to the microcode in its microprocessors and peripherals, effective October 1976.[28][34][35][36][37]

So, 1968 for Intel, 1969 for AMD.

If we are talking about microprocessors specifically, and their relationship/competition there, it's 1971 when Intel designed the first, and 1975 for AMD's response.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: AnitaPeterson

Markfw

Moderator Emeritus, Elite Member
May 16, 2002
25,558
14,512
136
I just looked it up. Intel was founded in 1968, and AMD in 1969. But neither did much till the IBM PC started to be sold.

It looks like about 1982 was when they both really started to take off.
 

SarahKerrigan

Senior member
Oct 12, 2014
372
531
136
Sorry, my quick googling of the history seems close, my memory of those days is hazy (old fart) I remember the IBMPC well, I bought a leading edge in 1985, but I thought IBM made the 8088,80286, and the 80386 and the 80486. I thought thre pentium was the first Intel, but I guess that just the advertising.

So the bottom line is they have both been around since ~1983 ?

Nah. Intel came out with the 4004 (world's first microprocessor) in 1971. They later did the 8008 and the 8080 8-bit processors; the 8080 was the basis for the Z80 produced by other vendors. Intel did the 8086 and the 8088 in the late 70s (1976 and 1979 respectively) but the IBM PC (1983) was their big break.

AMD's big product at the time was the Am2900 bitslice logic family, which was extremely widely used by other vendors to compose cheap processors out of; the low end of basically every major minicomputer product family at the time included 2900-based options.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.