Does Howard Stern have enough political influence to cost Bush his reelection?

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BugsBunny1078

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Originally posted by: tec699
This is all about money

No it's all about politics. Stern has been doing his show for over 17 years now and his show has not changed one bit. Why has the FCC changed there stance on the Howard Stern show? I'll tell you... It all happened on Super Bowl Sunday. When Janet showed her tit on national TV the religious freaks came out of the wood work and started to bitch and moan that the entertainment industry is full of indecent hell bound performers and they need to go. So the one person they went after is Howard Stern.

Let me ask you this.. Why doesn't Congress go after Hollywood? I'll tell you why. It's because Congress is scared and they dare not go after that industry if they want to survive in politics. It would be a political disaster if they went after Hollywood. So who do they go after? Howard Stern. It's safe to go after Howard because everyone has gone after him.

So they go after Howard and he is taken off the air. So what's next? Maybe the Bush administration will come out with a rule that were not allowed to critize him or his staff? Our freedoms are being taken from us people and of course... We let it happen.
The rules that are being enforced have been on the books since long before Howard Stern was around.
He knew the rules and knew he could get in trouble if he didn't follow them. Now they may start being enforced and that is a good thing. I can't wait til we start enforcing the adultery laws that are on the books too, in my own state it is a misdemeanor that can land you in jail for up to one year.
 

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I for one think this Howard Stern thing is overblown. How can a person not be able to say things over the radio that they can say on websites? Drudge was talking about this last night on his radio show. He can't read from kerry's official campaign website because it contains many words you can't say on the radio. So it's OK to limit speech over the airwaves but someone who wants to be president can have those exact words on his website? Is this a free speech issue or is this an equality issue? If one media can use that language then why can't another? Kerry's site is available to kids so you can't use that excuse for TV or radio. Stern is a shock jock - people know that. Those who like that sort of entertainment can tune in - those who don't - don't have to. But again - why shouldn't he be able to say and do things that websites can? - especially an official Presidential campaign website?

Meh- just my canadian nickle. (isn't that about 2 cents?:p)

CkG
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
I for one think this Howard Stern thing is overblown. How can a person not be able to say things over the radio that they can say on websites? Drudge was talking about this last night on his radio show. He can't read from kerry's official campaign website because it contains many words you can't say on the radio. So it's OK to limit speech over the airwaves but someone who wants to be president can have those exact words on his website? Is this a free speech issue or is this an equality issue? If one media can use that language then why can't another? Kerry's site is available to kids so you can't use that excuse for TV or radio. Stern is a shock jock - people know that. Those who like that sort of entertainment can tune in - those who don't - don't have to. But again - why shouldn't he be able to say and do things that websites can? - especially an official Presidential campaign website?

Meh- just my canadian nickle. (isn't that about 2 cents?:p)

CkG

The airwaves are the property of the public and administered by the FCC. The Internet is regulated by no one and belongs to no one. Completely different forums.
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
I for one think this Howard Stern thing is overblown. How can a person not be able to say things over the radio that they can say on websites? Drudge was talking about this last night on his radio show. He can't read from kerry's official campaign website because it contains many words you can't say on the radio. So it's OK to limit speech over the airwaves but someone who wants to be president can have those exact words on his website? Is this a free speech issue or is this an equality issue? If one media can use that language then why can't another? Kerry's site is available to kids so you can't use that excuse for TV or radio. Stern is a shock jock - people know that. Those who like that sort of entertainment can tune in - those who don't - don't have to. But again - why shouldn't he be able to say and do things that websites can? - especially an official Presidential campaign website?

Meh- just my canadian nickle. (isn't that about 2 cents?:p)

CkG

Because the airwaves are supposedly "public" while the Internet is privately owned by Al Gore, so he has established less restrictions. :)
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: Hafen
So now you are the arbiter of substance and intelligence? Who T Fk are you to decide, you ignorant pompous ass? By your condescending elitist prick standards, I would be part of the intellegent sophisticate when I'm listening to NPR or the BBC, but if I get tired of that and switch to Stern I've transformed in to a trashy, crass, ignorant American, barely smart enough to not to crash my car into the first telephone pole I pass? What wonderful magic! You obviously have you fingers on the pulse of the nation.

Tell me this O Enlightened One, where would George Carlin lie? Am I entitled to enjoy his humor? While he has witty and insightful political humor, his show is also incredibly vulgar and not bereft of pusy\kok\and fart jokes?

I already pay for the airwaves (at least whats left of them,) I'm sure as hell not going to start paying for satelite. Moving all "controversial" content to XM is a stupid idea. Who then decides? Rush/Savage/ Right-wing radio can also be classified as controvercial. the Dixie Chicks and Keith Black. Much of the Rap, some R&B. Should those all go? Let's move everything so nothing is left other than Yanni and the Star-Spangled Banner. Or, you can F off and leave people to their own, fascist.

lol, funniest thing I have read all day...Stern makes his money on crass programming which caters to the lower class of society, the same group that regularly enjoys such trash as jerry springer, jenny jones or as you so aptly put much of morning shock jock talkshow wannabees....

Would you be one of the intelligent sophisticate if you limited yourself to NPR, BBC or others...most certainly not..but your sheer defense of Sterns crapptastic programming shows that you don't realize that what he pushes is crap, plain and simple...also I fail to see how you "pay" for the airwaves, last I checked they were deemed public domain, much like broadcast television, and the latter is much more regulated than the former maybe it is about time that something be done to "police" radio since the entertainers don't seem to care about their own standards and are willing to spew out anything to get ratings....

Your incessent rambling off topic is rather humerous though...you mention right wing radio as "controversial" to which I already said there is nothing wrong with "controversial" but rather the lude, crass, and vulgar garbage that spews out of sterns pathetic show and the others like his every day...again caters to the lower segment of society...

Dixie Chicks? Keith Black?....c'mon...on one hand you are talking about a guy who has a segment called "thats just wrong" where often times some pretty nasty stuff goes down, on the other you have people who voice political opinions I really think it is funny how some insist this MUST be political and because of his stance and not because of the crap he regularly passes off for programming...

With re. Carlin, personally I think he is an ass, but what are you going to do...last I checked he wasn't hosting a nationally syndicated radio show so I fail to see the comparison.

I love to see meatballs blood boil because their poster boy is going to go up in a blaze of glory....you guys bitch all you want, chances are he will go to sattelite and love it or stick it out and ratings will soar...you nutsos just love to come on here and bitch because he gets you all worked up....
 

BugsBunny1078

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Airwaves have to be regulated otherwise people could just broadcast whatever they wanted over whatever frequency they wanted. YOu would never hear Howard Stern because I would just broadcast a christian music station over that frequency to block him out.Then it would just be a big war for whoever had the most powerful equipment in the most locations and every station would broadcast over all frequencies simultaneously to make sure they got heard and noone else. Well anyways before regulation came about it was clear that this would happen. Nowadays you take or granted that a certain show is on a certain station and except for the occasional pirate radio that's pretty much how it is. Completely necessary.
 

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cannot stress again how this will help the left far more than the right...they have been after talk radio for a while
 

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
I for one think this Howard Stern thing is overblown. How can a person not be able to say things over the radio that they can say on websites? Drudge was talking about this last night on his radio show. He can't read from kerry's official campaign website because it contains many words you can't say on the radio. So it's OK to limit speech over the airwaves but someone who wants to be president can have those exact words on his website? Is this a free speech issue or is this an equality issue? If one media can use that language then why can't another? Kerry's site is available to kids so you can't use that excuse for TV or radio. Stern is a shock jock - people know that. Those who like that sort of entertainment can tune in - those who don't - don't have to. But again - why shouldn't he be able to say and do things that websites can? - especially an official Presidential campaign website?

Meh- just my canadian nickle. (isn't that about 2 cents?:p)

CkG

The airwaves are the property of the public and administered by the FCC. The Internet is regulated by no one and belongs to no one. Completely different forums.

Yes - two different mediums - but why should they be different? Is the internet available to everyone? Is the radio? Why are air waves different from wired data transmission?

CkG
 

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Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Airwaves have to be regulated otherwise people could just broadcast whatever they wanted over whatever frequency they wanted. YOu would never hear Howard Stern because I would just broadcast a christian music station over that frequency to block him out.Then it would just be a big war for whoever had the most powerful equipment in the most locations and every station would broadcast over all frequencies simultaneously to make sure they got heard and noone else. Well anyways before regulation came about it was clear that this would happen. Nowadays you take or granted that a certain show is on a certain station and except for the occasional pirate radio that's pretty much how it is. Completely necessary.

You pay for internet domains - no? I don't think they are really any different. If one station purchases airwaves in a certain market then they are the only ones who can broadcast at that frequency. Just like someone who purchases an internet domain - no one else can use that site to "broadcast" their website.

CkG
 

Linflas

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You need to take talking points from someone other than Stern. You would be amazed at the variety of groups involved in the current effort to "clean up" the airwaves. I am not saying I necessarily agree with what is going on but I am smart enough to know better than to parrot Stern's load of BS. To answer the original question I think that the last ratings book in NYC gave Stern a 6 share which means that 94% of the NYC market is not listening to him. That is why it took the combination of a few television debacles in relatively close succession to prod the FCC into the more aggressive stance they are currently displaying. Even the Opie and Anthony sex in St Patricks mess did not get the attention that these latest TV antics have. I suspect that Iraq and the economy will be much more likely to determine the outcome of the next election than the fate of Howard Stern.
 

Thump553

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I listen to Howard Stern many mornings. I listen to NPR on my drive home. I have a post-graduate degree, hold a professional job, married 20+ years with children. I don't think Howard Stern's listeners fit into the "Joe Dirt" demographics that most commentators so glibly assume.

Until a few months ago, Stern was a vocal Bush supporter, especially post 9/11. I disagreed with his views on Bush then. I think he is now realizing what so many of us already did-much as it may sound a paranoid fantasy, the religious right in America has a definite agenda to control government in America and trash much of what has made this country great. Well, religious mullahs have done a piss-poor job of running third world countries-think of the damage they will do to the greatest country in history.

Stern's audience is not a bunch of unthinking dolts. I think what is happening with Stern, along with many other areas (trashing of the environment, loss of hunting areas, the bloating of the federal deficit and bureaucracy, and the skewing of our tax system to favor the wealthy, the intentional leading of our militiary into the morass of Iraq) are opening a lot of people's eyes. Things like the FCC being chaired by an inexperienced person whose only claim to the job is being the son of the Secretary of the State totally disgust me.

I think a lot of Bush's popularity and support is pretty ethereal and is evaporating fast.
 

Bitek

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Originally posted by: Thump553
I listen to Howard Stern many mornings. I listen to NPR on my drive home. I have a post-graduate degree, hold a professional job, married 20+ years with children. I don't think Howard Stern's listeners fit into the "Joe Dirt" demographics that most commentators so glibly assume.

Until a few months ago, Stern was a vocal Bush supporter, especially post 9/11. I disagreed with his views on Bush then. I think he is now realizing what so many of us already did-much as it may sound a paranoid fantasy, the religious right in America has a definite agenda to control government in America and trash much of what has made this country great. Well, religious mullahs have done a piss-poor job of running third world countries-think of the damage they will do to the greatest country in history.

Stern's audience is not a bunch of unthinking dolts. I think what is happening with Stern, along with many other areas (trashing of the environment, loss of hunting areas, the bloating of the federal deficit and bureaucracy, and the skewing of our tax system to favor the wealthy, the intentional leading of our militiary into the morass of Iraq) are opening a lot of people's eyes. Things like the FCC being chaired by an inexperienced person whose only claim to the job is being the son of the Secretary of the State totally disgust me.

I think a lot of Bush's popularity and support is pretty ethereal and is evaporating fast.


Except for the 20+ years and children I'm not that far off, and I know there are alot of other people like this as well. While Stern humor is often low-rent, as is most of his guests, that does not mean the people who listen to it are. Your belief in this just shows you are out of touch. Stern is hardly my posterboy. What I'm so annoyed at is the direction the public and media has taken in the last few years, esp since 9/11. Everybody is turning into a bunch of pansies. People get bent out of shape about a Bill Maher comment taken out of context, next thing Eisner has his head. My point is the same with the other people I mentioned. People hear something they don't like and their knee-jerk reaction is to take them off the air. The small minority who run the airwaves are so afraid of controversy they no one is willing to push the line, creating a defacto culture of censorship. We don't need people being ripped of the air just to protect some other priss' delicate sensibilities. They have that option themselves, turn the channel.
Everything from news to entertainment is being watered-down, anything that challenges is the third rail. This is what will the nation into a bunch of bland, white-bread conformist unthinking tools. I don't know what you wish for the future, but its not what I want.
 

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Originally posted by: Thump553
I listen to Howard Stern many mornings. I listen to NPR on my drive home. I have a post-graduate degree, hold a professional job, married 20+ years with children. I don't think Howard Stern's listeners fit into the "Joe Dirt" demographics that most commentators so glibly assume.

Stern's audience is not a bunch of unthinking dolts.

Have you ever listened to the people who regularly call in?? I think you are making a pretty broad assumption when you give people who listen to Stern the benefit of the doubt, in fact I would be more than willing to bet that the majority of Stern listeners do in fact fit the sterotype....heck I have yet to have worked with anyone in a professional environment who was an avid Stern listener, whereas many of the lower income and employment people I have known think of him as a godsend...

While I am not doubting that there are some very intelligent people who listen to and like Stern, as a side a friend of mine with his PHD from Harvard who works with nanotechnology is an avid watcher of Springer, I do doubt that the majority of his base is that of intelligent people, he caters to a bud light, blue collar, low income demographic that enjoys "shock" programming much along the lines of Springer and the like....not that there is anything wrong with that per say, but to try and hold his show on some pedestal IMHO is silly, it is garbage.
 

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Rush Limbaugh wrote an OP/ED on this subject for you tec99;)

There's No Right to Be Heard

By Rush Limbaugh
In the interests of full disclosure, I am not a listener of "The Howard Stern Show" and I did not hear firsthand what he said that led Clear Channel Communications to drop his show from six of its more than 1,200 markets. And to further disclose, Clear Channel also distributes "The Rush Limbaugh Show."

After it happened, people were stunned when I came to Stern's defense. The uninformed thought that I, as a conservative, must believe that the government should be in the business of silencing smut and regulating morality. But that was a week ago and the story has stretched. Now the buzz is that Stern was not dropped by Clear Channel for violating its decency standards. No, Clear Channel dropped Howard because he had been critical of President Bush. And, as the tale goes, since Clear Channel is reputedly close to Bush, the president called Clear Channel and told it to get rid of Stern.

So are we now going to popularize loony conspiracy theories from the left-wing fringe to defend Howard Stern? All that's missing here is that Stern discovered that Bush had an ancient relative who used to live on Mars and worked for Halliburton there before it destroyed that planet and arrived here on Earth to destroy Iraq by procuring oil for Dick Cheney's portfolio.

Let me try to restore some reason to this mess. First, Howard Stern was not censored by Clear Channel. He was fired. It happens all the time in radio for whatever reason evil management desires. Just ask me; I was once fired for using the word "therefore" too many times (management said it confused the audience).

Secondly, the 1st Amendment does not guarantee anyone the right to be heard. You can shout all you want but no one has to listen to you.

And a third point: If Clear Channel is firing people for criticizing the administration, then I am next. In fact, I should have been fired two years ago. I have been so critical of the administration's domestic agenda that some of my own listeners have been threatening to abandon me if I don't stop. And I haven't.

From letting Ted Kennedy write the most bloated education bill in history, to the redundant, unnecessary farm bill, to the new Medicare entitlement, I have watched in disbelief as "compassionate conservatism" came to mean "mainstream liberalism."

But what should really concern us is the McCain-Feingold law, which specifies who can criticize a candidate on TV in the days before an election. It prohibits union and corporate funding of advertisements that mention candidates for federal office within 60 days of a general election and 30 days of a primary. The fact the Supreme Court found it constitutional is horrifying.

Yet people are concerned that Howard Stern has been censored? By President Bush?

Stern is not the problem. He is "Romper Room" compared with what we can watch in prime time every night on TV. The difference is that the garbage on TV wins Emmys.

The real hypocrisy here is saying we need to regulate radio but we can't have standards about what appears on TV if it arrives in your home via cable or satellite.

And let's not mention the cultural depravity of much of the music aired on radio today. Artistic expression must be "understood and encouraged." It's the same thing as saying "The Passion of the Christ" is dangerous and anti-Semitic, but a crucifix in a jar of urine is art that we must endeavor to appreciate and not judge prematurely.

If music radio stations can play garbage, if TV can show us filth and museums can exhibit depravity, then broadcasters should have the right to choose what not to air as well, as in the case of Howard Stern. Besides, there are any number of stations free to air his show in markets where it was canceled.

Whatever is happening, it isn't censorship and it isn't George W. Bush. Some may call it reasonable. I call it the free market.
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leeboy

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Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Originally posted by: leeboy
Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
You think stern is being taken off the air because of what I say?
The public owns the airwaves and every broadcaster has to follow public guidelines. Howard Stern has been violating the public's broadcasting regulations for along time. He has gotten away with it because the business is big so they could afford to pay the fines. If they make the fines larger then they can;t justify paying the fines anymore because he is no longer making the Broadcasting companies any money. If he stops violating the law then he can continue to do his show.Only you won;t find it interesting because he has no content to offer. He only has obscenity.

You MIGHT want to rethink that "The Public owns the airwaves" statement.

They are called public airwaves for a reason. THe public owns them and lease them to radio and tv stations to broadcast on. As part of the lease they agree to follow guidelines. If they don;t they can be fined which they do not have to pay, but they do have to to keep the lease. If they continue to break the guidelines they can lose their lease.

The public legally owns the airwaves. The broadcast companies lease them through the FCC. Have you ever voted to elect an FCC official in your lifetime? No, oh that is because they are appointed (very dubiously I might add in some cases) and neither you, nor I, nor anyone else in this country has any say it what they do, or how they are governed.

So again, the public does NOT own the airwaves. The FCC is long overdue for reform.
 

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Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
Howard Stern has gotten worse and worse over the years. WHat was titillating 5 years ago is tame today so he has to degrade further and further into obscenity to achieve the same effect. Taking him off the air will be doing him a favor. His show's content has no social, artistic , or redeeming value whatsoever.Put him out of his stinking misery.

agreed.

i also felt he took a real turn for the worse after divorcing his wife.

after seeing his little autobiographical movie, i thought june was really his only redeeming quality, now without her he is just junk.
 

Mursilis

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It just amazes me that the sheeple are more interested in defending their right to hear Howard Stern than they are in protecting the one form of speech unquestionably covered by the First Amendment - political speech. When the latest round of Campaign Finance Reform passed, some experts called it unconstitutional, but there was little outrage. When the Supreme Court upheld parts of this law, there was even less outrage - sure, suppress political advocacy by private citizens and groups, but make sure we can still hear Stern!!
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