Does God forgive a murder who accepts Jesus in his heart?

[lebe0024]

yes, its true. "Accepting Jesus into your heart," is a silly phrase though that I don't think I've ever read in the scriptures.

In fact, Jesus says that murderers are MORE likely to really understand and embrace the gospel than good religious people. Every time in the bible where Jesus interacts with an "irreligious sinner" and a religious do-gooder, it's ALWAYS the irreligious sinner that gets it first or gets it at all.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Look, if God doesn't like what I'm doing, he should tell me so.

He does. Ever heard of something called a guilty conscience?

So as long as you don't feel guilty about something God likes what you are doing? God was cheering on the nazis torturing and murdering people in the concentration camps, Osama killing Americans, suicide bombers killing innocents? The Serbian rape camps? Pedophiles?
Thanks for explaining, that suddenly shines a whole new light on the matter!

 

[lebe0024]

I don't know if this has been adressed, but I'll throw it out there to moonbeam:

Jesus ate with prostitues and traitors. You say, "what a liberal thought." After all, you don't see Jerry Falwell doing that. Right? (ok ok, Jerry's too easy to pick on). But Jesus didn't invest all of his time in knowing them because he thought they had it all together... or that they didn' t have it all together. They ate with him because they were attracted to him- they saw how beautifully neccessary he is. You can't embrace Jesus as someone who's going to tell you "to each his own." You ONLY embrace Jesus if you understand you're nothing without him. They understood it.

This isn't a liberal thought. This isn't a conservative thought. Because both say "here's the line that seperates humanity. Liberals say "Here's the intolerant zealots, and we are the tolerant liberals" (which by the way is intolerant) Conservatives say "Here are the sinners, and we are the righteous." The thing that the prostitutes understood about the gospel is that THEY were on the wrong side of the line, and so was everyone else. You don't accept anyone as your savior if you don't think you need saving. Simple enough?

 

[Moonbeam]

Very simple, lebe. It accords whith what I think almost exactly. We all feel like the worst in the world. The downcast, the sinners, the sociatelly low, they are closer to those feelings, more ruled by them. Becuse they are more open to how bad they feel, they are more able to feel it. It's in feeling it that there can come the realization it's a lie.

It's like the story of the beggar and the kings son. Both were enrolled with a Sufi teacher and the beggar quickly became a great teacher himself. When the king came inquiring why a beggar had so outperformed his royal son, the Sufi merely replied, "He had less distance to travel" Truth is about unlearning and people who know alot have a long way to go.

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

It wasn't just being crucified that made Jesus Christ so special. Dying on a cross was the death of a sinner. Jesus Christ was the only person to EVER live a perfect, sinless life. And then he died on a cross, even though that was a sinner's death. All of those people have been crucified for their own sins. Jesus was crucified for our sins. That's what makes it different.

You're telling me you actually believe this, or do you just like reciting what they told you in Sunday school? I mean, do you actually THINK about what comes out of your mouth? I swear, when I talk to people like you, it is almost like talking to a special ed student! Well you know what, I take that back...special ed students can reason better. 😉

I do actually like reciting what I learned in Sunday School, and what I am still learning in Sunday School. And I do actually believe it. And I guaruntee that every single one of you will some day bow down and confess the Jesus Christ is the lord. The question is, will you do it now and be saved? Or will you do it later after it is already too late?

And who ever said that Christians were going out and putting people to death for what they have done? I agree that life in prison is a much better sentence. These people will then have the chance to be saved (although this is already pre-determined, just like God knew in advance that I was going to write this sentence... hard to grasp I know).

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't see how God can know what any body's going to do because of Heisenberg. If he can know that means everything is totally deterministic or mechanical. You couldn't have free choice because your free choice would be the result of chemical reactions in your nerves and brain that would cause it to fire in such a way as to have only one choice, the one you thought you made, but was made for you by the allingment of billions of previous causes and so on back to the first cause. And exactly where would all that computing power be?

 

[MainFramed]

I believe if you commit a murder, and then years or sometime later (whatever the case) you accepct Jesus Christ into your hear, yeah i believe he will forgive you. Jesus forgive's. Its why he died on the cross...'SIN' he died for everyone's sin. There for if you choose to accepct his love, and live for him...yeah i believe he will forgive you.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

If you've already accepted that forgiveness that Christ extended to everyone on the cross, and you go murder someone, you were forgiven way before you even committed the sin. When you accept Christ into your heart as your personal lord and savior, your sins are forgiven for past, current, and future sins.

 

[flyfish]

God knows what is in the murder's heart. No words or actions can hide it from Him. God will forgive the murderer. God does not hold grudges! People seem to think God needs help judging His own creations.

 

[BD231]

If anyone really wants more info a good place to start is church, I mean that is what it's there for. You don't have to believe in God to go to church, alot of people don't at first. People go to church to learn and be "fed spiritually". All God asks is that you accept him as the one true god, and that you live your life as morally as possible, you know what's right and wrong. It says in the bible that all humans are born sinners, and Jesus took care of that for us. I think one of the hardest thing's to accept about the religion once you get to understand it is the fact that you know at some point you'll sin, in a little or big way (and for most it feels bad to sin), and accepting the fact that your a sinner and doing your very best not to be one is the basic drive behind most forms of christianity. "Gods love is everlasting, and his forgivness eternal", what your basicly suppose to get from that is that no matter what you do he still loves you, and he will always forgive you. For the people who are critical, get to church and find the answers yourself, alot of people find the answers to these questions in alot of different ways.

 

[Metalloid]

Another thing that a lot of people don't understand is that a person that goes around murdering millions of people, and a person who lives a perfect life and on his death bed happens to sin or take the lord's name in vain, are judged the exact same way, as sinners.

 

[Moonbeam]

Geez, no wonder so many Christians are comforted by the notion they're on the right side of that Guy.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

Adad of Assyria

Adonis, Apollo, Heracles ("Hercules") and Zeus of Greece

Alcides of Thebes

Attis of Phrygia

Baal of Phoenicia

Bali of Afghanistan

Beddru of Japan

Buddha of India

Crite of Chaldea

Deva Tat of Siam

Hesus of the Druids

Horus, Osiris, and Serapis of Egypt

Indra of Tibet/India

Jao of Nepal

Krishna of India

Mikado of the Sintoos

Mithra of Persia

Odin of the Scandinavians

Prometheus of Caucasus/Greece

Quetzalcoatl of Mexico

Salivahana of Bermuda

Tammuz of Syria

Thor of the Gauls

Universal Monarch of the Sibyls

Wittoba of the Bilingonese

Xamolxis of Thrace

Zarathustra/Zoroaster of Persia

Zoar of the Bonzes

Oh, and Jesus.

Looks like a crap shoot to me.

 

[flyfish]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Geez, no wonder so many Christians are comforted by the notion they're on the right side of that Guy.

Well, being on the "right side" is not always comfortable. I don't believe that God made us so that He could let some into Heaven and also have some souls to tourture in Hell for all eternity. I'm not excatly sure what all He has planned but, I do know that it will be all good in the end.

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: flyfish

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Geez, no wonder so many Christians are comforted by the notion they're on the right side of that Guy.

Well, being on the "right side" is not always comfortable. I don't believe that God made us so that He could let some into Heaven and also have some souls to tourture in Hell for all eternity. I'm not excatly sure what all He has planned but, I do know that it will be all good in the end.

God made all of us perfectly, in his image. WE screwed up. So God created another plan, sending Jesus. It will all turn out good in the end for those who follow him. But as much as I hate to say it, for those that don't accept his forgiveness, they are in for BIG BIG trouble.

 

[JackBurton]

God made all of us perfectly, in his image. WE screwed up. So God created another plan, sending Jesus. It will all turn out good in the end for those who follow him. But as much as I hate to say it, for those that don't accept his forgiveness, they are in for BIG BIG trouble

Oooooo, that is so scary. Man, I changed my mind, with all that proof that you are coming up with, I can't help but be convinced.

And if "God" made up perfect and "WE" did something he didn't approve of, that is HIS fault. He made us right? That is like saying, I created this program but it did something unexpected, but I guess that's the programs fault, not mine. After all, I made the program perfect. 😉

I swear, it's like talking to a wall!

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

God made all of us perfectly, in his image. WE screwed up. So God created another plan, sending Jesus. It will all turn out good in the end for those who follow him. But as much as I hate to say it, for those that don't accept his forgiveness, they are in for BIG BIG trouble

Oooooo, that is so scary. Man, I changed my mind, with all that proof that you are coming up with, I can't help but be convinced.

And if "God" made up perfect and "WE" did something he didn't approve of, that is HIS fault. He made us right? That is like saying, I created this program but it did something unexpected, but I guess that's the programs fault, not mine. After all, I made the program perfect. 😉

I swear, it's like talking to a wall!

The reason that we did screw up is because God gave us free choices. He could move us around like chess pieces, but what good would that do?

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: flyfish

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Geez, no wonder so many Christians are comforted by the notion they're on the right side of that Guy.

Well, being on the "right side" is not always comfortable. I don't believe that God made us so that He could let some into Heaven and also have some souls to tourture in Hell for all eternity. I'm not excatly sure what all He has planned but, I do know that it will be all good in the end.

God made all of us perfectly, in his image. WE screwed up. So God created another plan, sending Jesus. It will all turn out good in the end for those who follow him. But as much as I hate to say it, for those that don't accept his forgiveness, they are in for BIG BIG trouble.

lol

God didn't send jesus. Jesus has nothing to do with God. He's just a prophet, nothing more

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: flyfish

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Geez, no wonder so many Christians are comforted by the notion they're on the right side of that Guy.

Well, being on the "right side" is not always comfortable. I don't believe that God made us so that He could let some into Heaven and also have some souls to tourture in Hell for all eternity. I'm not excatly sure what all He has planned but, I do know that it will be all good in the end.

God made all of us perfectly, in his image. WE screwed up. So God created another plan, sending Jesus. It will all turn out good in the end for those who follow him. But as much as I hate to say it, for those that don't accept his forgiveness, they are in for BIG BIG trouble.

lol

God didn't send jesus. Jesus has nothing to do with God. He's just a prophet, nothing more

So you are a Jehova's witness?

 

[JackBurton]

The reason that we did screw up is because God gave us free choices. He could move us around like chess pieces, but what good would that do?

So if I created a program, and I let it do whatever it wanted (put in a random variable), can I then blame the program for not doing what I REALLY wanted it to do? Ya, that makes sense.

 

[Bachopoet]

God forgives, but he still punishes. He never disowns us if we don't disown him.

 

[flyfish]

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: JackBurton

God made all of us perfectly, in his image. WE screwed up. So God created another plan, sending Jesus. It will all turn out good in the end for those who follow him. But as much as I hate to say it, for those that don't accept his forgiveness, they are in for BIG BIG trouble

Oooooo, that is so scary. Man, I changed my mind, with all that proof that you are coming up with, I can't help but be convinced.

And if "God" made up perfect and "WE" did something he didn't approve of, that is HIS fault. He made us right? That is like saying, I created this program but it did something unexpected, but I guess that's the programs fault, not mine. After all, I made the program perfect. 😉

I swear, it's like talking to a wall!

The reason that we did screw up is because God gave us free choices. He could move us around like chess pieces, but what good would that do?

God knew we would screw up...even before He created us! BIG BIG trouble? We are all in BIG BIG trouble! God changed His plan? That is an ignorant thing to say! Don't be so small minded to think that something happend not to go God's way, so He had to change His plan! Oh ye of little faith!!!

 

[Metalloid]

Originally posted by: flyfish

Originally posted by: Metalloid15

Originally posted by: JackBurton

God made all of us perfectly, in his image. WE screwed up. So God created another plan, sending Jesus. It will all turn out good in the end for those who follow him. But as much as I hate to say it, for those that don't accept his forgiveness, they are in for BIG BIG trouble

Oooooo, that is so scary. Man, I changed my mind, with all that proof that you are coming up with, I can't help but be convinced.

And if "God" made up perfect and "WE" did something he didn't approve of, that is HIS fault. He made us right? That is like saying, I created this program but it did something unexpected, but I guess that's the programs fault, not mine. After all, I made the program perfect. 😉

I swear, it's like talking to a wall!

The reason that we did screw up is because God gave us free choices. He could move us around like chess pieces, but what good would that do?

God knew we would screw up...even before He created us! BIG BIG trouble? We are all in BIG BIG trouble! God changed His plan? That is an ignorant thing to say! Don't be so small minded to think that something happend not to go God's way, so He had to change His plan! Oh ye of little faith!!!

Technically God had it all thought out before hand. But what I am saying is that it's not like God couldn't stop us from sinning. He gave us freedom to make choices, and he also gave us the oppurtunity to be made righteous again. I have no doubt about God's power or his plan. He could do anything he wanted to.