does flat club soda = water?

[nageov3t]

if you've got a bottle of club soda that went flat, is it a bottle of flat club soda or is it a bottle of water?

 

[destrekor]

depends if it had salt and other things added. some club sodas do.

 

[PhoenixOrion]

it maintains its name....its a flat club soda still.

technicality is in the packaging or container and in the presentation.

if i pour a club soda into a non-labeled, plain glass and offered it to you and i declare it that it is a flat club soda then its not water.

if i declare it to be just water then i'm lying but my lie does not change the fact that it is a flat club soda.

but in the general scheme of things, one can categorize that a flat club soda can be considered as 'water' if we use the word 'water' as a general term to lump flat club soda and other liquids under the same umbrella term.

EDIT: Disclaimer - I just woke up and still half asleep.

 

[bignateyk]

Originally posted by: PhoenixOrion
it maintains its name....its a flat club soda still.

technicality is in the packaging or container and in the presentation.

if i pour a club soda into a non-labeled, plain glass and offered it to you and i declare it that it is a flat club soda then its not water.

if i declare it to be just water then i'm lying but my lie does not change the fact that it is a flat club soda.

but in the general scheme of things, one can categorize that a flat club soda can be considered as 'water' if we use the word 'water' as a general term to lump flat club soda and other liquids under the same umbrella.

uhh.. thanks for that philosophical explanation

 

[Linflas]

Everything you ever wanted to know about carbonated water.

?Seltzer is the popular name for filtered, carbonated tap water.
Unlike mineral water, it does not have any added minerals. Unlike club
soda and sparkling water, it does not have added salt. Plain seltzer
would therefore have the same 'water' value as regular water.?

 

[dullard]

How long have the club soda and the comparable water been sitting out while exposed to the open air?

Lets look at an open container of club soda vs. an open container of pure water. I will assume this club soda doesn't contain sodium bicarbonate, and all it contains is water and carbonation.

The CO2 when in contact with water forms carbonic acid. The colder the water and the higher the pressure, the more CO2 you get into the water and the more carbonic acid forms. Open the container, and the pressure drops, some of the carbonic acid goes back to CO2, and CO2 flies out of your club soda container. But, not all of it comes out, and it doesn't all come out instantly. There is a water / CO2 / carbonic acid equilibrium that is eventually reached.

The club soda will taste flat far BEFORE all of the CO2 comes out. So, even at that point, it'll be water + CO2 + carbonic acid in one container vs. water in the other container. So, no, initially (flat club soda) != (water). That symbol means "does not equal".

However, if you give it enough time, the club soda will reach an equilibrium with just small amount of carbonic acid. Also, with enough time CO2 will ENTER the pure water container and also it will reach an equilbrium with small amounts of carbonic acid. Thus eventually, (really flat club soda) = (really flat water). However, really flat club soda will never be pure water.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: dullard
How long have the club soda and the comparable water been sitting out while exposed to the open air?

Lets look at an open container of club soda vs. an open container of pure water. I will assume this club soda doesn't contain sodium bicarbonate, and all it contains is water and carbonation.

The CO2 when in contact with water forms carbonic acid. The colder the water and the higher the pressure, the more CO2 you get into the water and the more carbonic acid forms. Open the container, and the pressure drops, some of the carbonic acid goes back to CO2, and CO2 flies out of your club soda container. But, not all of it comes out, and it doesn't all come out instantly. There is a water / CO2 / carbonic acid equilibrium that is eventually reached.

The club soda will taste flat far BEFORE all of the CO2 comes out. So, even at that point, it'll be water + CO2 + carbonic acid in one container vs. water in the other container. So, no, initially (flat club soda) != (water). That symbol means "does not equal".

However, if you give it enough time, the club soda will reach an equilibrium with just small amount of carbonic acid. Also, with enough time CO2 will ENTER the pure water container and also it will reach an equilbrium with small amounts of carbonic acid. Thus eventually, (really flat club soda) = (really flat water). However, really flat club soda will never be pure water.

but then neither is water, tap water, mineral water even filtered water will not really be PURE water.

even distilled water, very close to pure yet not pure.

so, does flat club water fit in the general category of relatively impure water, yes.

 

[swimscubasteve]

The short, non-weird answer, is that the flat club soda will taste like slightly sour water.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: swimscubasteve
The short, non-weird answer, is that the flat club soda will taste like slightly sour water.

if it lacks the additives of typical club soda, like salt or some types of phosphate.