Does democracy really quell terrorism?

Al Qaeda and other militant Islamic groups will not simply lay down their arms when (and it is a when, not an if) democracy overtakes currently-fundamentalist countries. Rather, they may begin to fight harder against the wave of democratic revolutions around the world.

But in a day and age when terrorism is stateless and nomadic (Al Qaeda 'sleeper' cells exist in every major democratized first- and third-world nation), does democracy really destroy terrorism, or does it simply distribute large groups of terrorists into small nomadic 'tribes' of extremists?

After all, it's clear from events in Iraq that death and destruction (in the name of democracy) are not deterrents to terrorism; they have instead made the Iraqi terrorists stronger and more organized. If democracy sweeps over the Middle East in waves (as current events indicate it may do), will terrorist networks weaken, or will they simply become harder to track as they spread throughout the world?

 

[mOeeOm]

The thing is, America's invasion of Iraq gave the terrorists a common enemy...thats why they are increasing more and more, attempting to set up democracy will just piss em off more and they will increase and concentrate more.

 

[frankie38]

Americas battle with Terrorism is a battle of ideas not territory. America needs to dismantle the current governments because these countries provide fertile ground for terrorists and anti american thinking to grow.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm
The thing is, America's invasion of Iraq gave the terrorists a common enemy...thats why they are increasing more and more, attempting to set up democracy will just piss em off more and they will increase and concentrate more.

It's a nice little circular theory the terrorists and terrorist supporters like yourself have set up. Changing the social systems in the Middle East will create more terrorists... guess we're stuck with 'em. Evidently the only solution is to buckle to their rage and demands. Yay, terrorism wins :roll:

 

[conjur]

Ask McVeigh...oh wait...he's dead. Ask Nichols or Rudolph or anyone else in some anti-gov't militia or the Army of God.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Terroists wil always exist when they can not change the system the way they want it to be.

And changing the system, will create other disgruntled people.

Kingmakers will always exists to find willing idiots to perform their desires without thought for their actions.

There will also be do-gooders that will support the underdog becuase they are the underdog, right or wrong.

The only thing that democracy does is allow them to breathe and get the exposure that they desire without fear of retribution.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Terroists wil always exist when they can not change the system the way they want it to be.

And changing the system, will create other disgruntled people.

Kingmakers will always exists to find willing idiots to perform their desires without thought for their actions.

There will also be do-gooders that will support the underdog becuase they are the underdog, right or wrong.

The only thing that democracy does is allow them to breathe and get the exposure that they desire without fear of retribution.

Many good points but what about countries like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Syria, etc.? Those aren't democracies but fear of retribution is pretty much nil.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: conjur
Ask McVeigh...oh wait...he's dead. Ask Nichols or Rudolph or anyone else in some anti-gov't militia or the Army of God.

You mean in a country of 300 million you can find some nutjobs? Wow, you're sharp!

You trying to compare the US to the Middle East is classic Lib America-hate. It's no wonder why you people are more interested in America's response and American badness than the evil terrorists who attack us. In any debate or issue, there you are harping on the US and ignoring/excusing the enemy.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Terroists wil always exist when they can not change the system the way they want it to be.

And changing the system, will create other disgruntled people.

Kingmakers will always exists to find willing idiots to perform their desires without thought for their actions.

There will also be do-gooders that will support the underdog becuase they are the underdog, right or wrong.

The only thing that democracy does is allow them to breathe and get the exposure that they desire without fear of retribution.

You made some good points up until your last sentence.

If Democracy allowed them to exist without fear of retribution, McVeigh wouldn't be dead and Nichols and Rudolph wouldn't be in jail.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: conjur
Ask McVeigh...oh wait...he's dead. Ask Nichols or Rudolph or anyone else in some anti-gov't militia or the Army of God.

You mean in a country of 300 million you can find some nutjobs? Wow, you're sharp!

You trying to compare the US to the Middle East is classic Lib America-hate. It's no wonder why you people are more interested in America's response and American badness than the evil terrorists who attack us. In any debate or issue, there you are harping on the US and ignoring/excusing the enemy.

What are you talking about? The OP was about whether or not democracy quells terrorism and the response was examples that in DEMOCRATIC AMERICA, there are still terrorists that are bred/created within the framework of the society. A point that is in direct relation to the OP. Now, your "libs hate America" point is pure trollism in the context of the OP.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: conjur
Ask McVeigh...oh wait...he's dead. Ask Nichols or Rudolph or anyone else in some anti-gov't militia or the Army of God.

You mean in a country of 300 million you can find some nutjobs? Wow, you're sharp!

You trying to compare the US to the Middle East is classic Lib America-hate. It's no wonder why you people are more interested in America's response and American badness than the evil terrorists who attack us. In any debate or issue, there you are harping on the US and ignoring/excusing the enemy.

What are you talking about? The OP was about whether or not democracy quells terrorism and the response was examples that in DEMOCRATIC AMERICA, there are still terrorists that are bred/created within the framework of the society. A point that is in direct relation to the OP. Now, your "libs hate America" point is pure trollism in the context of the OP.

That's all he has left. cwjerome used to be a good debater up here. Now he's become desperate as has most of the rest of the YABA club.

 

[judasmachine]

democracy is chaos. i don't see it quelling much of anything.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: conjur
Ask McVeigh...oh wait...he's dead. Ask Nichols or Rudolph or anyone else in some anti-gov't militia or the Army of God.

You mean in a country of 300 million you can find some nutjobs? Wow, you're sharp!

You trying to compare the US to the Middle East is classic Lib America-hate. It's no wonder why you people are more interested in America's response and American badness than the evil terrorists who attack us. In any debate or issue, there you are harping on the US and ignoring/excusing the enemy.

What are you talking about? The OP was about whether or not democracy quells terrorism and the response was examples that in DEMOCRATIC AMERICA, there are still terrorists that are bred/created within the framework of the society. A point that is in direct relation to the OP. Now, your "libs hate America" point is pure trollism in the context of the OP.

You cannot be serious? No... you can't be.

Quit hiding behind partisan smokescreens. Do democratic countries like the USA create an environment that breeds violent international terrorism like non-democratic countries in the Middle East?

You and conjur's diseased attempt to play with the language (and play dumb) IS America hating disguised as debate.

I cannot think of one instance where someone said terrorism cannot be born in a democracy, but for you Libbies to act like we are one and the same with Middle Eastern countries because of that IS exactly what I said: Unwarranted trashing the US.

Rational, normal Americans can see straight through your words... it's utterly obvious you are terrorist (and terrorist breeding ground) apologists. In every instance you put your America bashing above any other issues, especially when it might be helpful to point some of that vindictive hate towards the real enemy.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: conjur
Ask McVeigh...oh wait...he's dead. Ask Nichols or Rudolph or anyone else in some anti-gov't militia or the Army of God.

You mean in a country of 300 million you can find some nutjobs? Wow, you're sharp!

You trying to compare the US to the Middle East is classic Lib America-hate. It's no wonder why you people are more interested in America's response and American badness than the evil terrorists who attack us. In any debate or issue, there you are harping on the US and ignoring/excusing the enemy.

What are you talking about? The OP was about whether or not democracy quells terrorism and the response was examples that in DEMOCRATIC AMERICA, there are still terrorists that are bred/created within the framework of the society. A point that is in direct relation to the OP. Now, your "libs hate America" point is pure trollism in the context of the OP.

You cannot be serious? No... you can't be.

Quit hiding behind partisan smokescreens. Do democratic countries like the USA create an environment that breeds violent international terrorism like non-democratic countries in the Middle East?

You and conjur's diseased attempt to play with the language (and play dumb) IS America hating disguised as debate.

I cannot think of one instance where someone said terrorism cannot be born in a democracy, but for you Libbies to act like we are one and the same with Middle Eastern countries because of that IS exactly what I said: Unwarranted trashing the US.

Rational, normal Americans can see straight through your words... it's utterly obvious you are terrorist (and terrorist breeding ground) apologists. In every instance you put your America bashing above any other issues, especially when it might be helpful to point some of that vindictive hate towards the real enemy.

Does America create "international terrorism"? Let's ask the terrorists themselves. Why YES, their answer is that democratic American policies in regards to THEIR OWN SOVERIEGN nations has bred terrorism. Now, I know that is not the direction your question was meant to go so I will address it in the "other" manner too. It doesn't directly. But it sure as hell creates domestic terrorism. Explain to me how someone that goes on a murder/suicide rage in a workplace isn't performing terroristic actions. Maybe because he isn't doing it for a political agenda? What about the KKK? What about the Branch Davidians? What about Ok City? What about the Aryan Nation? What about the Michigan militia?

I would beg to differ on what "rational, normal" Americans see from what Conjur, myself and many others have said as being "terrorist apologists". If you had an ounce of personal integrity, you would see that just because someone disagrees with your self-annointed "patriotic" viewpoint, it in no way makes them anti-American. But I guess that would take you being a "rational, normal" person.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: cwjerome


Rational, normal Americans

does such a thing exist?

 

[Brackis]

Democracy, if anything, is a breeding ground for terrorists who may exist as the shunned minority who has no power due to rule by the majority.

 

[Todd33]

Democracy has little to do with terrorism, there are many democracies that don't breed or are not the target of terrorism. Terrorism is a response by a near powerless group against a group of power. Oppression, exploitation, violence, etc. incite terrorism. America is a the largest target due to it's foreign policies, plain and simple. We have troops all over the world, many in the Middle East so as to secure oil. Until we reign in our military and leave other nations to their own vices, we will look like meddeling hypocrits.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
It doesn't directly. But it sure as hell creates domestic terrorism. Explain to me how someone that goes on a murder/suicide rage in a workplace isn't performing terroristic actions. Maybe because he isn't doing it for a political agenda? What about the KKK? What about the Branch Davidians? What about Ok City? What about the Aryan Nation? What about the Michigan militia?

Here we go again. Look at all this terrorism in the US! Damn we're evil... surely no better than Iran. Like dude, I can't tell the difference between America and the Middle East :roll:

Can I get my terrorist apologist badge too? How about my bash-America medal of honor?

This is the basic gist of the Libs dogma: the US does not have the moral high ground, the US is just as bad (or worse), the terrorists are justified with their actions, and we deserve everything we get from them. The world would be better off if the US just shoved a shotgun into our mouth- pop goes the weasel... terrorists suddenly have no reason to blow people up and wala, world's better!

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: cwjerome


Rational, normal Americans

does such a thing exist?

Not to the Lib Elites. To them the masses are retarded and must be guided by the tyrannical hand of the Leftwing Gods.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: cwjerome


Rational, normal Americans

does such a thing exist?

Not to the Lib Elites. To them the masses are retarded and must be guided by the tyrannical hand of the Leftwing Gods.

so you think most americans are informed, thoughtful, educated and intelligent?

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

so you think most americans are informed, thoughtful, educated and intelligent?

I would say the majority of Americans are normal, good people with common sense.

Everyone could stand to be more informed, thoughtful, and educated.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
It doesn't directly. But it sure as hell creates domestic terrorism. Explain to me how someone that goes on a murder/suicide rage in a workplace isn't performing terroristic actions. Maybe because he isn't doing it for a political agenda? What about the KKK? What about the Branch Davidians? What about Ok City? What about the Aryan Nation? What about the Michigan militia?

Here we go again. Look at all this terrorism in the US! Damn we're evil... surely no better than Iran. Like dude, I can't tell the difference between America and the Middle East :roll:

Can I get my terrorist apologist badge too? How about my bash-America medal of honor?

This is the basic gist of the Libs dogma: the US does not have the moral high ground, the US is just as bad (or worse), the terrorists are justified with their actions, and we deserve everything we get from them. The world would be better off if the US just shoved a shotgun into our mouth- pop goes the weasel... terrorists suddenly have no reason to blow people up and wala, world's better!

How many mass shootings happened in the US last year? How populated are our jails? Do you think that America is truly the haven of morality that you are spoon fed by this administration and regurgitate here in this forum?

Violence is a part of EVERY society. It has nothing to do with whether you are ME, US, UK or freakin' Martian. Oh, I forgot....only libs who hate America or foreigners have ever committed a crime or done anything violent, never anyone on the right. Let me guess...you suscribe to the Ann Coulter school of thought?

"When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."

Maybe that's what needs to happen? Maybe if you killed all of the liberals you could have the euphoric country that only the Repubs are capable of delivering? Maybe, just maybe, you could find a venture capitalist to help you convert all of those prisons into condos. After all, you wouldn't have a need for them anymore.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
How many mass shootings happened in the US last year? How populated are our jails? Do you think that America is truly the haven of morality that you are spoon fed by this administration and regurgitate here in this forum?

Like I've developed my political and social philosophy from an "administration." :roll: You may be a party hack, not I.

Violence is a part of EVERY society. It has nothing to do with whether you are ME, US, UK or freakin' Martian. Oh, I forgot....only libs who hate America or foreigners have ever committed a crime or done anything violent, never anyone on the right. Let me guess...you suscribe to the Ann Coulter school of thought?

Violence is part of every society. HERE WE GO AGAIN!! We're no better than Iraq was or Iran and North Korea are... violence is everywhere, like, who are we to judge!! :roll: We can't make distinctions, we can use proper context, all we can do is blame America... woot!

"When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."

Maybe that's what needs to happen? Maybe if you killed all of the liberals you could have the euphoric country that only the Repubs are capable of delivering? Maybe, just maybe, you could find a venture capitalist to help you convert all of those prisons into condos. After all, you wouldn't have a need for them anymore.

Uh... yeah, whatever... here's some brain food

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
How many mass shootings happened in the US last year? How populated are our jails? Do you think that America is truly the haven of morality that you are spoon fed by this administration and regurgitate here in this forum?

Like I've developed my political and social philosophy from an "administration." :roll: You may be a party hack, not I.

heh. I think most here would disagree with you. I've never seen you deviate from the line as far as i can remember.

 

[conjur]

This is what I've been talking about. We need to get the Muslim leaders to start eliminating the teaching of extremism at the root:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/07/25/muslims.nonviolence/index.html