When my friend was trying to install ATI MCE for Microsoft Media Center 2005, it asked for a Hyper-Threading processor. Is this O/S only compatible with a Intel HT cpu? I do know there are hacks to get around non-HT CPU's, but wondering why ATI would work with Intel only on this O/S? Does anyone also know if older ATI All-In-Wonder Radeons (pre-9200) work? Such as the very first ATI All-In-Wonder Radeon 7000?
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Does ATI MCE on Microsoft MCE 2005 require a HT processor?
- Thread starter NuNuNYC
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Windows Media Center 2005 is basically Windows XP with extra software, so the OS itself works with HT technology.
As for ATI MCE Software asking for HT, it may just be a suggestion, or it may be a requirement for a certain part of it (perhaps higher quality on-the-fly recording) but the lack of HT should not disable the entire program.. I could be wrong, but that would be rediculous if they demanded a CPU with HT technology.
Just a note, I installed Windows MCE 2005 within MS Virtual PC 2004 on a host system running an XP Barton 2500+ and it works fine. This must be an ATI specific issue.
As for ATI MCE Software asking for HT, it may just be a suggestion, or it may be a requirement for a certain part of it (perhaps higher quality on-the-fly recording) but the lack of HT should not disable the entire program.. I could be wrong, but that would be rediculous if they demanded a CPU with HT technology.
Just a note, I installed Windows MCE 2005 within MS Virtual PC 2004 on a host system running an XP Barton 2500+ and it works fine. This must be an ATI specific issue.
Yea, when you are trying to install the ATI All-In-Wonder MCE Software Kit, it says that you are required to have an ATI video card, and then cancels installation.. Stupid? I would say so, that ATI is monopolizing with Intel on this new trend... There is a hackable version out there, but we don't wanna get into legal issues by using it. If you try to install ATI's Catalyst drivers used for Windows XP, all your WDM drivers will not be detected, thus ATI's special WDM MCE SK. Such bullcrap.. Anyone know if these drivers will work with the very first Radeon, AIW 7000?
no you nooblet... hahah... You need to pay $20 first of all to be ABLE to use your ATI on MCE2005.. You cannot use the WinXP WDM drivers on MCE2005. And on top of that you need a Hyper-Threading CPU, or the installation will not start. First window when going into the installation will say, "A Hyper-Threading CPU has not been detected. In order to continue installation, you need a HT processor. Blah blah blah"....
I did a little snooping on their site and found teh AIW MCE 2004 SW Encode Kit, which costs $20.. Judging by its title its for encoding video, like I suspected (requireing HT tech can probably increase quality).. But they dont have any info, other then the name.
Have you tried running MCE 2005 without this program? Perahps it will work, just not at the quality the Encode kit would allow for?
Have you tried running MCE 2005 without this program? Perahps it will work, just not at the quality the Encode kit would allow for?
yea, we tried running MCE 2005, but as soon as u start Media Center up, it complains about not having the required drivers necessary for the program, please visit your video card manufacturer's website for further details, blah blah... Supposedly, ATI has WDM specific video drivers for MCE2005...So we're kind of in a dilemma.. Guess not too many sub-Radeon 9200's out there running MCE2005, or for that matter anyone running ATI's on MCE2005. This HT only requirement is very :disgust: ATI is better than that, or so I thought.
Are we talking about the drivers or the Encode software?
Looking at an ATI Radeon 9800 All-In-Wonder.. the requirements state, " Intel® Pentium® 4/III/II/Celeron?, AMD® K6/Athlon® or compatible with AGP 8X/4X/2X slot".
Kind of misleading if half the card wont work with 4 of the 5 stated processors.
Encode software, under Microsoft Media Center. The link you posted doesn't talk about Media Center at all. MS Media Center is a distinct OS (built on XP) that has its' own list of requirements, and it requires a TV Tuner. That TV tuner (in this case, ATI's software/hardware) may have its' own requirements. In this case, ATI's Media Center encoder requires HT CPUs. There's a hack out there, but the core install requires a HT CPU if you don't hack around it.
Okay, so we established there's a hack out there. legal or illegal, besides the fact.. Does anyone know if they work on the initial Radeon 7000 AIW's? When we tried installing the ATI software, it crashes on one of the WDM drivers, something relating to the ATI sound. I forgot the exact name but the computer instantly reboots itself, as if you were pushing the reset button. Anyone have the same problems?
So if you get a All-In-Wonder Pro.. you can watch TV with it, but you need to buy additional software (Encoder Kit) if you want to 'pause live tv' or 'record tv shows'..
Why would you want to do that when you can get better Tuner cards, cheaper, that dont require additional purchases?
Also, isnt the encoding already part of MCE?
Just think of the Encoder part, the actual drivers for the video card. The WDM drivers are basically what activates the TV Tuner, sound (Out to Sound Card), recording, etc on the video card.. Without this, your card is basically useless... unusable in MCE2005. You won't be able to use your ATI properly with all the pretty menus of MCE 2005... Until someone comes out with a fixed hack of the already hacked non-HT cpu ATI MCE software kit.
So the question is repeated then, Why would you want to do that when you can get better Tuner cards, cheaper, that dont require additional purchases?
And again the requirements for the ATI All-In-Wonder are " Intel® Pentium® 4/III/II/Celeron?, AMD® K6/Athlon® or compatible with AGP 8X/4X/2X slot". Why are they saying those are the requirements when half the features of the card only work with ONE of those processors.. Very missleading, and probably somewhat illegal. "We require this processor - but even if you have it, our product wont work without buying another product"
Lorthreth
Member
I could run any AIW card on my old K6-2+ if I used say Windows 2000.
The page where it says the requirements are those processors, also lists the supported operatings systems as XP, 2000, Me and 98/98SE. That page doesn't include any of the Media Center Editions.
With MCE it's a different story, usually it comes in preinstalled configurations and has all the required software or hardware sorted out. And has different requirements.
Once again you are missing the point. ATI AIW WILL work with any of the processors listed above using the standard ATI software (even in MCE2005). If you want your ATI AIW to work with the menu systems of Windows MCE 2005 to record TV, you have to have a HT enabled CPU. ATI is stateing nothing wrong here.
You need the proper ATI MCE WDM drivers to even access Media Center in MCE 2005. Otherwise none of the WDM features or whatever you call it, won't work, just the basic video display will work. If you don't, MCE will complain about not having the correct drivers and will not function correctly.
We know it's possible to buy another video capture card, but the point is that we're trying to get this to work with older video cards that we already own, thus not wasting the money on another card. MCE2005 does not support ATI video cards out of the box. You need to download their proprietary video and wdm drivers. Unless ATI 9200+'s have some sort of different hardware that enables further abilities (possibly Hydravision which is of no relation, but just saying it's a new technology in newer Radeon's).
We tried installing the hacked version of ATI MCE Encode from xpmce.com a while ago, but they hard crash the computer when installing something called ATI TV Audio Crossbar drivers.. i forget the name...
We know it's possible to buy another video capture card, but the point is that we're trying to get this to work with older video cards that we already own, thus not wasting the money on another card. MCE2005 does not support ATI video cards out of the box. You need to download their proprietary video and wdm drivers. Unless ATI 9200+'s have some sort of different hardware that enables further abilities (possibly Hydravision which is of no relation, but just saying it's a new technology in newer Radeon's).
We tried installing the hacked version of ATI MCE Encode from xpmce.com a while ago, but they hard crash the computer when installing something called ATI TV Audio Crossbar drivers.. i forget the name...
rbV5
Lifer
All the AIW cards are analog. I'm installing MCE 2005 and it recognized my AIW 9700pro out of the box, you maybe running into a requirement for DX9 class cards
Link.
I'll post back in the thread when I'm finished with the install. I'm using an ATI AIW 9700pro, 2 ATI eHome Wonder cards and an ATI HDTV Wonder in my rig.
You can read this thread for the digital thing i'm talkin about.. as for pre 9xxx cards working, most claim because you need the theatre 200 chipset which is on 9xxx cards only.
rbV5
Lifer
Install went fine. Without "encode" my AIW tuner is unsupported apparently so I didn't run across the HT requirement to see. I hadn't intended to use it anyway, my 6800 was supposed to go in this rig, but I'm getting rid of it and I'll use my X800XT when(IF) it gets here.
Anyway, the card itself works fine as do the 4.10 Catalysts and CCC. The eHome Wonder cards work fine, FM tuner working as well. HDTV Wonder works well...its nice having the DTV + SDTV channels on the same EPG.
One gotcha I ran accross was that I couldn't install untill I had an empy hardrive. I have a 30GB OS partition and 160GB storage partition. The install would fail after the first reboot with disc access failure. I literally had to format the entire drive for the install to complete.
Anyway, the card itself works fine as do the 4.10 Catalysts and CCC. The eHome Wonder cards work fine, FM tuner working as well. HDTV Wonder works well...its nice having the DTV + SDTV channels on the same EPG.
One gotcha I ran accross was that I couldn't install untill I had an empy hardrive. I have a 30GB OS partition and 160GB storage partition. The install would fail after the first reboot with disc access failure. I literally had to format the entire drive for the install to complete.
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