Does anyone really believe all the BS from Hannity?

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I'm curious. Assume Trump and Hannity are out of the picture. Gone, nonexistent, whatever it takes for you. Where would you be directing all the hate? Is there like a list or something, a pecking order or does the media control where you direct it and you just march to their beat?

When you're back in power will there be an enemies of the state list?

And you will be at the top of that list. Happy now?
 

Greenman

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You sound like a person driven by some very big moral concerns lurking behind your questions. You sound like you are worried like you need to convince yourself of something. Might the hate you talk about be your own directed at yourself for not understanding consciously how Trump and Hannity have you fooled but knowing it in your gut?

And look at it this way. I don't hate Trump or Hannity because they are traitors. I just want them tired and legally executed for it since that the traditional penalty and I believe also that conservative permissiveness of criminal behavior is destroying American morality. Really, all that is is tough love.
For a fellow that loves to play armchair psychologist and explain to everyone how messed up they are, that's a pretty fucked up thing to say. I expected better of you.
 

UberNeuman

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For a fellow that loves to play armchair psychologist and explain to everyone how messed up they are, that's a pretty fucked up thing to say. I expected better of you.

Sorry. You don't get to stand with Trump and Party Of Garbage and take the high ground. Maybe you'd feel better if they LOCKTHEMUP! LOCKTHEMUP! LOCKTHEMUP! LOCKTHEMUP!

\lol...
 

alien42

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I'm curious. Assume Trump and Hannity are out of the picture. Gone, nonexistent, whatever it takes for you. Where would you be directing all the hate? Is there like a list or something, a pecking order or does the media control where you direct it and you just march to their beat?

When you're back in power will there be an enemies of the state list?

the entire world would be a much better place without them, why would any hate be needed?

unfortunately, those who continue to support these shitstains would still have plenty of hate for those who are not like them, be it cultural, racial or religious.
 

cytg111

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I'm curious. Assume Trump and Hannity are out of the picture. Gone, nonexistent, whatever it takes for you. Where would you be directing all the hate? Is there like a list or something, a pecking order or does the media control where you direct it and you just march to their beat?

When you're back in power will there be an enemies of the state list?

I imagine the next iteration of democratic power will do whatever it can to unite the clans.. Cause apparently it is not BOTH sides that sees what is going on and that the current direction of motion is a one way ticket going the wrong way.
How do people fall for a false prophet like Hannity? Like Trump? The entire narrative out of Fox "news"? As a baseline you have to come to the conlusion that critical thought is not something homo sapiens is born with, it is something we a capable of, but we need to get taught how. Education. THEN at some horrific revelation you discover that Hannity IS education and large quantities of people are gobbling it up as gospel.
I wonder if Hannity and Jim Jones/Jonestown share some of the same critical genetic markup.
 

Moonbeam

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For a fellow that loves to play armchair psychologist and explain to everyone how messed up they are, that's a pretty fucked up thing to say. I expected better of you.
While I appreciate your willingness to criticize here, I don’t know how to benefit from it because I have no idea what specifically you are criticizing. Fucked up is a pretty broad category even when narrowed down to armchair psychology, a pretty amorphous concept in its own right.

Often when I begin reading a new thread I will post a reply to something I read before finishing everything already posted, which I did here in this one. It turns out that fiskimo’s post actually said in straight words what I tried to describe as internal thought process. You chose to criticize me and not him. Had read his post I might not have actually even bothered to post myself. It is just a fact to us masters of armchair psychology, a term I believe was created by people who fear introspection for those with insight into themselves and thus all of human nature, to witness i conservatives this constant projection of things they do but don’t see that they do because they are contemptuous of such behavior but then imagine they see it in liberals. Furthermore, I suspect again that you have now done that to me. I have said that people who hate others hate what they hate about themselves, but will not acknowledge to themselves, causing them to imagine it in others because for them the need to suppress self knowledge of their own self hate was delt with in childhood by the Stockholm syndrome.

So while I don’t really know what your criticism of me really is, I do know the generals. I have shown a light into an area you are terrified to look, and feel my words to be a terrible threat, and you hear me hating you instead of the actual fact that that hate is yours for yourself. Actually such information is required for your reacquisision of your own self respect. It is not pleasant facing the truth about yourself. The only difference between us in my opinion is that I know this better than you do. I know you better than you do because I have more awareness of the monster within. I have survived a few times where he’s gotten out of his cage and he wasn’t much more than a very hurt little boy. Love you,
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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It doesn't dawn on them that some people view government as a tool for helping people, not as one for hurting their enemies.

These things are not mutually exclusive. The government can and has helped people. It has seen fit to destroy because it can. The only wrong perspective is binary thinking.
 

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These things are not mutually exclusive. The government can and has helped people. It has seen fit to destroy because it can. The only wrong perspective is binary thinking.
I think there is another potential wrong perspective and that is emphasis on one of the binaries in an environment where the other binary is excessively problematic proportionally. Proportional judgments can be made on the basis of irrational emotions or logical analysis of risk and even the relative values of those in any situation can vary.
 

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I have more awareness of the monster within

Humanity has it within it an innate ability to do great harm. We were born with that nature as we hunted the various giraffes and such for food and protected our territories from other animals including other sapients. We all have those monsters, but humans have the capacity for reason and self awareness of our natures. The Beast Within might have me take up a katana and slay my opponents but I have made a deal with it. I will let it snarl and let itself be known but I won't let it take control.

The various aspects of ourselves can and must be aware of our other selves and make peace or at least a truce between parts. there needs to be a balance, an equilibrium and humans do this. I may want to hear the last gasp of an enemy, feel life leaving them, but independent of law and consequence I have been blessed with the knowledge that this is not good. It is a thing long established internally as being wrong and so these things I call evil I will not do.

But for us to function as more than the animal we need to understand and not hide our various aspects or "selves" in a corporate but individual psyche. We come to grips, we struggle for some ideal or purpose and tame ourselves, but we are also the enemy and must understand what that means.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I think there is another potential wrong perspective and that is emphasis on one of the binaries in an environment where the other binary is excessively problematic proportionally. Proportional judgments can be made on the basis of irrational emotions or logical analysis of risk and even the relative values of those in any situation can vary.
Indeed. Overall I judge our government to be beneficial to the whole at this time. I do reserve the right to qualify. My Cherokee ancestors were not benefactors but the Government can change Columbus Day to Native American Day to commemorate those who were successful victims of genocide beyond the wildest dreams of the Nazis. Our wonderful desire to make everyone Little Americans as with Iraq and other cultures enabled by the vast power of the military. The injustice of our justice, the ability to ruin just by legal action to coerce or otherwise threaten then harm when the ordinary person has no effective means of defense that does not end well regardless of legal outcome.

I'm not contradicting your point, indeed I find it valid, but some would prefer to pretend things did not happen. We're very proud to condemn the Confederate flag and cite the evil of slavery, and properly so. The rest? Well, let's not go there and sweep other survivors under the rug.

But

These FEMA camps I hear rumor of? I see an organization which provides safety and relief. I see the various regulatory agencies being cut down to laughable mockeries because the government is bad and so we need more environmental destruction. Slavery did end. No "Separate but (mostly) equal". No back of the bus. Sometimes these things rear their heads and the government can provide a means of resolution. It can do the opposite of what I referred to with its crushing power and represent those who have no effective defense when the greed and power of private individuals or institutions corporate and otherwise. Justice, proper justice is possible and sometimes had when anarchy would prohibit such a thing.


What is needed is to hold government accountable so that it may constantly improve, or at least become less dishonest and unfair to all but the powerful. That's a bitch to pull off.
 

Moonbeam

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Humanity has it within it an innate ability to do great harm. We were born with that nature as we hunted the various giraffes and such for food and protected our territories from other animals including other sapients. We all have those monsters, but humans have the capacity for reason and self awareness of our natures. The Beast Within might have me take up a katana and slay my opponents but I have made a deal with it. I will let it snarl and let itself be known but I won't let it take control.

The various aspects of ourselves can and must be aware of our other selves and make peace or at least a truce between parts. there needs to be a balance, an equilibrium and humans do this. I may want to hear the last gasp of an enemy, feel life leaving them, but independent of law and consequence I have been blessed with the knowledge that this is not good. It is a thing long established internally as being wrong and so these things I call evil I will not do.

But for us to function as more than the animal we need to understand and not hide our various aspects or "selves" in a corporate but individual psyche. We come to grips, we struggle for some ideal or purpose and tame ourselves, but we are also the enemy and must understand what that means.
In the East where there is perhaps a deeper level of psychological understanding transmitted by cultural traditions, there is the notion of the horse the cart and the driver, representing the body, the emotions and the intellect with the implicit understanding that when those three are harmonized it becomes possible for a passenger to proceed on a journey. Who that passenger may be is perhaps more of a mystery in the West.
 

Moonbeam

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Indeed. Overall I judge our government to be beneficial to the whole at this time. I do reserve the right to qualify. My Cherokee ancestors were not benefactors but the Government can change Columbus Day to Native American Day to commemorate those who were successful victims of genocide beyond the wildest dreams of the Nazis. Our wonderful desire to make everyone Little Americans as with Iraq and other cultures enabled by the vast power of the military. The injustice of our justice, the ability to ruin just by legal action to coerce or otherwise threaten then harm when the ordinary person has no effective means of defense that does not end well regardless of legal outcome.

I'm not contradicting your point, indeed I find it valid, but some would prefer to pretend things did not happen. We're very proud to condemn the Confederate flag and cite the evil of slavery, and properly so. The rest? Well, let's not go there and sweep other survivors under the rug.

But

These FEMA camps I hear rumor of? I see an organization which provides safety and relief. I see the various regulatory agencies being cut down to laughable mockeries because the government is bad and so we need more environmental destruction. Slavery did end. No "Separate but (mostly) equal". No back of the bus. Sometimes these things rear their heads and the government can provide a means of resolution. It can do the opposite of what I referred to with its crushing power and represent those who have no effective defense when the greed and power of private individuals or institutions corporate and otherwise. Justice, proper justice is possible and sometimes had when anarchy would prohibit such a thing.



What is needed is to hold government accountable so that it may constantly improve, or at least become less dishonest and unfair to all but the powerful. That's a bitch to pull off.

I have said frequently here that in my opinion there is only one political issue of importance in American life and it is that democracy is dead. All of politics, in my opinion, is a distraction from that fact. It will take a revolution to fix it, a revolution in understanding.
 

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I have said frequently here that in my opinion there is only one political issue of importance in American life and it is that democracy is dead. All of politics, in my opinion, is a distraction from that fact. It will take a revolution to fix it, a revolution in understanding.


Ye must be born again.
 

Greenman

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While I appreciate your willingness to criticize here, I don’t know how to benefit from it because I have no idea what specifically you are criticizing. Fucked up is a pretty broad category even when narrowed down to armchair psychology, a pretty amorphous concept in its own right.

Often when I begin reading a new thread I will post a reply to something I read before finishing everything already posted, which I did here in this one. It turns out that fiskimo’s post actually said in straight words what I tried to describe as internal thought process. You chose to criticize me and not him. Had read his post I might not have actually even bothered to post myself. It is just a fact to us masters of armchair psychology, a term I believe was created by people who fear introspection for those with insight into themselves and thus all of human nature, to witness i conservatives this constant projection of things they do but don’t see that they do because they are contemptuous of such behavior but then imagine they see it in liberals. Furthermore, I suspect again that you have now done that to me. I have said that people who hate others hate what they hate about themselves, but will not acknowledge to themselves, causing them to imagine it in others because for them the need to suppress self knowledge of their own self hate was delt with in childhood by the Stockholm syndrome.

So while I don’t really know what your criticism of me really is, I do know the generals. I have shown a light into an area you are terrified to look, and feel my words to be a terrible threat, and you hear me hating you instead of the actual fact that that hate is yours for yourself. Actually such information is required for your reacquisision of your own self respect. It is not pleasant facing the truth about yourself. The only difference between us in my opinion is that I know this better than you do. I know you better than you do because I have more awareness of the monster within. I have survived a few times where he’s gotten out of his cage and he wasn’t much more than a very hurt little boy. Love you,
My criticism was of you wishing death on Hannity and Trump. I understand your fear of them, though I don't share it, but fear isn't a reason to kill. I'm not even sure what crimes you think Hannity has committed. Trump may or may not have committed crimes worthy of impeachment, we won't know until the evidence has been presented, but I doubt he's done anything that carries the death sentence.
 
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And look at it this way. I don't hate Trump or Hannity because they are traitors. I just want them tired and legally executed for it since that the traditional penalty and I believe also that conservative permissiveness of criminal behavior is destroying American morality. Really, all that is is tough love.

Tradition, eh? Used to be that police could / would shoot at anyone who tried to run from them. At some point the concepts of enlightenment overwrote murderous traditions. Treason is going to need a modern definition, given that we are not at war. Or are we? Perhaps we need to redefine the meaning of that as well.
 

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Trump may or may not have committed crimes worthy of impeachment, we won't know until the evidence has been presented, but I doubt he's done anything that carries the death sentence.

Two possibilities come to mind- treason, and espionage. Note this is not an accusation but depending on how precisely Russia is involved, with whom, and how allows for the potential charges.
 

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My criticism was of you wishing death on Hannity and Trump. I understand your fear of them, though I don't share it, but fear isn't a reason to kill. I'm not even sure what crimes you think Hannity has committed. Trump may or may not have committed crimes worthy of impeachment, we won't know until the evidence has been presented, but I doubt he's done anything that carries the death sentence.
Oh, that. I was just mirroring, not my own wishes, but how I would wish if I held to conservative values. I thought, also, I made clear that I wanted first a fair trial and then if convicted, the traditional execution, I would suspect, normally, by a firing squad. I thought if you objected to that level of contempt for traitors you would recognize its traditional roots in conservative values. It is just tough love as I said. Without personal responsibility we can't have an ordered society, no? If you do the crime you pay the price if convicted. What could be less morally ambiguous. And I am sure you realize, we never hold our own to their own moral laws. Punishment is for the other, the real bad guy, right?

Just holding up another mirror.
 

Greenman

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Two possibilities come to mind- treason, and espionage. Note this is not an accusation but depending on how precisely Russia is involved, with whom, and how allows for the potential charges.
I believe those only carry the death sentence in time of war.

Edit: This whole thing started with the accusation that Trump colluded with Russia to alter the election results, but that investigation doesn't seem to be the focus anymore.
 
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I believe those only carry the death sentence in time of war.

Edit: This whole thing started with the accusation that Trump colluded with Russia to alter the election results, but that investigation doesn't seem to be the focus anymore.
Actually it started with Russia interfered with the election and the question was to what extent did they and did they have any assistance from anyone in the country. The actions of Trump campaign staffers as it related to interactions with Russians etc... is what drew the additional attention to them.
 

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I believe those only carry the death sentence in time of war.

Edit: This whole thing started with the accusation that Trump colluded with Russia to alter the election results, but that investigation doesn't seem to be the focus anymore.

I don't think the focus has changed. Rather, it's that there are numerous side roads (like the Stormy Daniels hush money, Manafort's dealings, Flynn's false statements) on the way to making a final determination. When you're dealing with the most corrupt administration in American history, there's a lot to process before you get to the very top. That and I suspect Mueller wants as complete a case as he can get if he directly challenges Trump, since he knows he likely won't get a second shot.
 

Moonbeam

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ladies and gentleman, I give you the violent left.
What?
Federal
Definition: In Article III, Section 3 of the United States of Americahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution


Penalty: U.S. Code Title 18: Death, or not less than 5 years imprisonment and not more than life imprisonment without the possibility of parole (minimum fine of $10,000, if not sentenced to death).

What you are saying is that the Constitution was written by the violent left. You are an enabler and a moral relativist right up to the time when the law starts applying to your side. What a hypocrite. Shame on you.
 
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Hannity doesn't even believe all the b.s. he spews. He's a mouthpiece for mouth breathing knuckle draggers who'll follow anyone who tells them they're special and their prejudices are warranted.
 

Jhhnn

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Hannity doesn't even believe all the b.s. he spews. He's a mouthpiece for mouth breathing knuckle draggers who'll follow anyone who tells them they're special and their prejudices are warranted.

Gasp! You mean that the leadership & the talking heads of the GOP aren't sincere? Why, I never!