Does anyone here fast? What are some good supplements to use on a daily basis?

[Arkitech]

I've been doing a little research on fasting and it seems like a good way to cleanse the body as well as lose weight. I'm planning on starting out with 2 days of fasting per week to begin with, I want to eventually work my way up to a full 7 days. My goal is to get back down to my target weight and of course to become healthier.

Another question about fasting: Is it recommended to workout during a fast? I've been working on a simple workout plan that I can maintain but I'm unsure if I should follow it during a fast.

What are some good supplements and vitamins that can be taken on a daily basis for a person trying to become more healthy? I just recently starting taking a multivitamin, a garlic tablet, several teaspoons of apple cider vinegar and another supplement that I can't think of right now. Since I plan on fasting on a weekly basis (2 days) I figure I should make sure I'm getting plenty of the right vitamins and nutrients to sustain me for the 2 days that I fast.

 

[waylman]

on fridays I usually fast on beer. :beer:

 

[yobarman]

if you're really trying to lose weight quickly, try "Fat Fast".... have nothing but 5-6 tablespoons of Flaxsee Oil and 5-6 Protien shakes a day. You'll lose the weight, but it's the hardest diet ever.

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: yobarman
if you're really trying to lose weight quickly, try "Fat Fast".... have nothing but 5-6 tablespoons of Flaxsee Oil and 5-6 Protien shakes a day. You'll lose the weight, but it's the hardest diet ever.

I want to lose weight but I'm also kind of into bodybuilding as well, would a diet like that preserve muscle? Also how long do you follow that eating plan?

 

[Arkitech]

up

 

[caitlion]

dammit.. i shouldve tried fasting to pass my drug test

 

[squirrel dog]

try some Noni Juice . It rocks . Google it .

 

[jpeyton]

Preserving muscle is as easy as having three protein shakes a day, each with at least 30g of protein. Make sure you take the last one right before bedtime to keep your body from entering a catabolic state during sleep.

If you want to start a cleansing fast, I suggest buying some fiber pills (psyllium seed, oat bran, wheat bran, etc.). I just grabbed a bottle of Colon Cleanse from my local GNC; the instructions usually recommend you take 2-3 pills three times a day until you begin having 2-3 bowel movements per day. Supplement with green veggies, low fat meats (fish, chicken), and high protein shakes as mentioned above.

 

[bleeb]

fasting is not a great idea for long-term weight loss. Traditionally fasting was a means to either pray for a certain problem or a means to praise God. And it is my belief a means to cleanse and purify the body of impurities ingested from food and tainted water back in biblical days. However, it's not a great means for losing weight because more often than not, people are unable to discipline themselves to keep it up and also losing weight quickly is unhealthy. Also, most people will "PIG OUT" after the fast, completely destroying any gains they may have attained. I wouldn't look into fasting if you are to lose weight.

 

[ThaPerculator]

I want to lose weight but I'm also kind of into bodybuilding as well, would a diet like that preserve muscle? Also how long do you follow that eating plan?

Umm... you're criticizing protein shakes, but yet you think that true fasting will preserve muscle mass??? obviously you need to do more research... but hey, go ahead, do it and find out when you look like ghandi take pics and show us.

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: bleeb
fasting is not a great idea for long-term weight loss. Traditionally fasting was a means to either pray for a certain problem or a means to praise God. And it is my belief a means to cleanse and purify the body of impurities ingested from food and tainted water back in biblical days. However, it's not a great means for losing weight because more often than not, people are unable to discipline themselves to keep it up and also losing weight quickly is unhealthy. Also, most people will "PIG OUT" after the fast, completely destroying any gains they may have attained. I wouldn't look into fasting if you are to lose weight.

I was actually planning on using the fasting as a way to springboard into low carb eating. I've been doing less than 60 carbs per day for the past few days. Starting tonight I will do a 2 day fast until Friday night, at which point I plan on doing 2 weeks of eating less than 20 carbs per day. I figure the fasting should easily help me clean out any glycogen in the blood and in my organs, so by the time I start with the low carb eating I should easily be into ketosis. After 2 full weeks into ketosis I'll start to add fruits to my diet and slight increase my carb intake. I think this plan should preserve lean muscle while helping me to trim away at the fat. From what I've researched fasting is very healthy, the key is to start off gradually before undertaking long periods of fasting and once the fast is complete its necessary to avoid overindulging in large amounts of food.

 

[Arkitech]

Originally posted by: ThaPerculator

I want to lose weight but I'm also kind of into bodybuilding as well, would a diet like that preserve muscle? Also how long do you follow that eating plan?

Umm... you're criticizing protein shakes, but yet you think that true fasting will preserve muscle mass??? obviously you need to do more research... but hey, go ahead, do it and find out when you look like ghandi take pics and show us.

First off I did'nt criticize anything and as far as fasting goes 2 days is'nt long enough to harm muscle mass, especially for an overweight person.

 

[PaperclipGod]

Wow... just wow.

I dont think i've ever come across someone more nutritionally uninformed than this guy. Words fail me.

 

[sygyzy]

You are going to deprive your body of nutrients by fasting then you are going to workout? Where is it going to get the energy to burn? From your fat right? True, but you'll probbly collapse afterwards. I think it's much harder to break that stuff up versus stuff you ate.

 

[Legendary]

I was under the impression that ketosis = BAD.

 

[PaperclipGod]

"Hey guys im a bodybuilder and i want to lose weight. So im not going to eat for several days, but dont worry, i know my body has magical properties that will allow me to preserve muscle. By the way, what supplements should i take to help this miracle happen? And dont try to convince me otherwise!! I know how healthy not eating is!"

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Legendary
I was under the impression that ketosis = BAD.

You are almost as uninformed as Arkitech.

Ketosis is when your body breaks down fat to produce energy. For people dealing with obesity, this is one of the most scientifically sound ways to lose weight.

 

[dolph]

you need to eat. your body's main source of energy comes from carbohydrates. eat 500 calories less than you normally do and exercise daily and you will lose 2-3 lbs per week of mostly fat in a healthy, sustainable way.

 

[ThaPerculator]

First off I did'nt criticize anything and as far as fasting goes 2 days is'nt long enough to harm muscle mass, especially for an overweight person.

Yeah, it is if you have no food intake and work out. Especially if you are already in a ketogenic state, hence protein.

When you work out, your muscle needs proteins/amino acids afterwards to repair itself from the damage that just occured. If you fast after busting your hump, your muscle will just dwindle away over time (catabolisis) because you aren't letting it grow to compensate for the work that just tore it up. Yeah, you'll lose a buttload of weight, but it won't be healthy, let alone productive. If you lose that muscle, you'll just have to fast longer to lose the same amount of weight, because less muscle = less calories burned.

Not to mention, fasting for a week might dump you into ketoacidosis if you have any kind of diabetic-related conditon, whether its a lot or a little. ketoacidosis = total catabolic state = have fun going to the hospital if you keep it up.

My reccomendation... Work out hard, if you're gonna do cardio, do it before you lift. Eat a butt-load of protein, and supplement your diet with a couple multi-vitamins/nutrients, esential oils, and a EFA. Definately have protein first thing in the morning, and right before you go to bed to prevent muscle loss.

The mirror/measuring tape is a better gauge of fat loss than the scale is. Don't let crazy numbers screw with your head. "I only lost 3 lbs. this week! I need to fast more!" but in reality you gained muscle, and your waist on your pants is loose. Trust your gut, even after you get rid of it.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: dolph
you need to eat. your body's main source of energy comes from carbohydrates. eat 500 calories less than you normally do and exercise daily and you will lose 2-3 lbs per week of mostly fat in a healthy, sustainable way.

But if your body has excess fat, going into ketosis will help you drop your body fat percentage back to a healthy level faster than if you continued eating the RDA of carbohydrates (which is archaic, IMHO).

 

[Arkitech]

Wow its certainly a lot of smartasses in here today. Well lets just get this over with now.

1. For me I gain muscle faster than I lose fat so a 2 day fast will do more to benefit me than harm me, also if I take the right supplements and vitamins before and after the fast there is no danger of me doing harm to my body. My sources for this information is taken from "The Bragg natural way to reduce" and "Back to Eden" publications.

2. Ketoacidosis is not the same as ketosis and furthermore this condition is found primarily in type 1 diabetics and if I'm not mistaken it has no bearing on whether a person eats carbs or not. In fact for diabetics its actually safer for them to consume far fewer carbs than the average person as they can't properly handle a high level of gluclose in the blood which results from the natural breakdown of carbs.

3. For those who have trouble with reading comprehension the title of this thread is "Does anyone here fast? What are some good supplements to use on a daily basis?" As of yet I have'nt seen any of the trolls respond to those questions which leads me to believe that you are either stupid or go through life purposely avoiding direct questions.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: yobarman
if you're really trying to lose weight quickly, try "Fat Fast".... have nothing but 5-6 tablespoons of Flaxsee Oil and 5-6 Protien shakes a day. You'll lose the weight, but it's the hardest diet ever.

You lose wieght alright, but as soon as you start eating again you will gain it right back.

 

[ThaPerculator]

You say you gain muscle faster than you lose weight? I call shenanigans. Personally, my highest was losing 8 lbs. in a week.... I would pay good money to see somebody gain 8 lbs. of muscle in a week... (without steroids) PERIOD. It takes a hell of a lot more work to gain 5 than to lose 5.

 

[StageLeft]

Don't.

 

[ThaPerculator]

Oh, and btw... calling fasting a ketogenic diet is just stupid. That's like calling a 2"x4" a splinter...

2. Ketoacidosis is not the same as ketosis and furthermore this condition is found primarily in type 1 diabetics and if I'm not mistaken it has no bearing on whether a person eats carbs or not. In fact for diabetics its actually safer for them to consume far fewer carbs than the average person as they can't properly handle a high level of gluclose in the blood which results from the natural breakdown of carbs.

No $hit sherlock... And yes it has bearing on carbs/food in general. Ketoacidosis occurs when your body turns into a catabolic state from being in extreme ketosis for an extended period of time, with no food intake. When someone is dying of starvation, they are in ketoacidosis. Already having your body in a ketogenic state, then subduing it to fasting is probably not a good choice...

I tell you what... You gain 1 pound of muscle during the week in which you are fasting, and I'll give you $100. It is physically impossible to gain muscle mass out of no fuel whatsoever.