Don Vito Corleone
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I can't imagine it will have that much traction. America as a whole obviously never loved Kerry, but his comment comes at the close of the deadliest month in the history of OIF - Kerry isn't, fundamentally, what's wrong with this picture. At least, from the perspective of the RNC, it will take the spotlight off of Rush Limbaugh for a day.
He was talking about the President who despite a number of supposed high grade degrees never "if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, " and so we aas a nation find ourselves stuck in Iraq without a plan.
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He's partially telling the truth.
Smart people won't enlist for such an unjust war that has nothing to do with WMD's, terrorism, or "liberation". I know I wouldn't.
How many doctors, pharmacists, lawyers, MBA, and PhD holders actually enlist to go to Iraq?
Smart people won't enlist for such an unjust war that has nothing to do with WMD's, terrorism, or "liberation". I know I wouldn't.
How many doctors, pharmacists, lawyers, MBA, and PhD holders actually enlist to go to Iraq?
Those who joined the military with a GPA of 4.0 makes me very sad. I guess they were misdirected. I see those Go Army Commercials. They way they make it look so Hollywoodish. But in actually we all know it won't be like that. They get suckered in.
palehorse
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- Dec 21, 2005
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did you seriously just insult every enlisted man and woman in our armed forces?!? wow...
1) I'll see your BS and MS, and I'll raise you one AA and one BA... does that make you sad? I mean, after all, I'm also one of the "stupid" guys who serves in the enlisted military! (I'd like to take this moment to thank the US Army, and all of my fellow taxpayers, for giving me FOUR FREE DEGREES!!. HOOAH!
2) Thanks for the spelling lesson because we all know that spelling truly matters in online forums! can you please go over this post too? thanx.
3) you sound like very other Elitist that I've ever met. good for you. we're all happy that you think you're better than everyone in the modern military. You, bill Mahr, and John Kerry would get along just swell.
JeepinEd
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I ran in to them during our 10 year HS reunion (class of '87) and they both agreed that the Army taught them the leadership skills and discipline they felt they needed. Both are very successful businessmen. It will be interesting to see what they have to say during our next reunion.
ProfJohn
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Hello!!!! We have a member of this forum who joined the military AFTER getting his law degree. Are you now saying that what he did was 'sad'?
How about every person that goes to a military academy? Do you have any clue how hard these school are to get into? The level of competition is insanely high. These are very smart and hard working people who want to serve their country by joining the military. And Kerry just insulted every one of them.
This is yet another example of Kerry insulting our military.
And another thing!!!! If this comment is about the President getting us stuck in Iraq and not about the people who join the military then maybe we should remember that Bush actually had better grades than Kerry at Yale. Link
Sometimes, there are politically incorrect truths, and one of those is the mix of truths about the troops - from the idealized side of the patriotism and huge sacrifices, to the less idealized side of some who join out of desperation or desire for violence, and how many troops are too quick to turn over the responsibility for murder to the government.
The right accuses the left of using 'untouchables' for their causes - Rush Limbaugh repeated the accusation over the stem cells ads by Michael Fox - but they do the same thing with troops.
I think it's unwise and even immoral for most troops to volunteer, and even moreso in today's environment. Many have great motives, but some misguided sense of serving your country is not justification for a choice that leads you to end up killing innocents or those who don't really deserve it.
By the time a soldier is riding in his Humvee, the Iraqi citizen who wants to drive the foreign occupiers out of his country, who might be a perfectly nice person doing the same thing we'd do in his shoes, and the soldier are going to try to kill one another when they meet; it's a survival issue at that point.
But raising questions that Americans should think two or three times before letting the government tell them to kill people, in the absence of a clear threat like Hitler, is 'politically incorrect'.
I was proud of my Congressman who I watched recently tell a teenager in a crowd, 'you aren't thinking of joining the military now are you?' 'No', the boy answered; 'good'. By the way, the Congressman, like so many democratic members of Congress who have this same sense of restraint on the military now, is a veteran.
The right accuses the left of using 'untouchables' for their causes - Rush Limbaugh repeated the accusation over the stem cells ads by Michael Fox - but they do the same thing with troops.
I think it's unwise and even immoral for most troops to volunteer, and even moreso in today's environment. Many have great motives, but some misguided sense of serving your country is not justification for a choice that leads you to end up killing innocents or those who don't really deserve it.
By the time a soldier is riding in his Humvee, the Iraqi citizen who wants to drive the foreign occupiers out of his country, who might be a perfectly nice person doing the same thing we'd do in his shoes, and the soldier are going to try to kill one another when they meet; it's a survival issue at that point.
But raising questions that Americans should think two or three times before letting the government tell them to kill people, in the absence of a clear threat like Hitler, is 'politically incorrect'.
I was proud of my Congressman who I watched recently tell a teenager in a crowd, 'you aren't thinking of joining the military now are you?' 'No', the boy answered; 'good'. By the way, the Congressman, like so many democratic members of Congress who have this same sense of restraint on the military now, is a veteran.
1. An AA is not every really respected in the world of academia as a degree. It legally is one but walk around telling higher educated people this and see what reaction you will get. An BA or generally anything with an A on the end of it pretty much means you didn't have the mental amplitude to do the heavy math. Without going into great detail we all know math is hard for some people. Also you were asking were I went, not the amount or level of degrees, so that question is you didn't go to JHU right? OK now... Also you didn't say what type of degrees these were. I mean a BA in psychology is not really impressive nor is an AA in Accounting. We like to call these degrees "cake degrees". Want to party and enjoy yourself, there you go..... Also, again recruiters didn't go around my alma mata. They knew it wasn?t worth it. I did see recruiters around local CCs and vocational schools though. And another thing you don't have to go to the military to get your education paid for. I lived off grants and scholarships most of which were from state and local governments.......
2. It really doesn?t and you can say that about anything. But I can see you have the same beliefs about your grammar as does bush has on his speeches
3. No, not at all, I think there are a lot of intellegent life in the military but the majority of them are not.....
palehorse
Lifer
- Dec 21, 2005
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...and an Elitist. I said nothing about them being Democrats.
You're also wrong on your other point. Steppinthrax did just insult every single member of our armed forces. his exact words for the reason some people dont join is because they are "3) Not stupid enough to enlist."
It's makes me sick to see such pretentiousness in a supposedly well-educated person.
Kerry isn't insulting the troops. He's saying however, truthfully, that that's where you'll end up if you don't get an education because there's nowhere else to go.
Like it or not, that's the case with a majority of the armed forces. Not saying it's a bad thing either, you don't need to be smart to serve your country admirably. It's not insulting, it's a truthful observation. I'm sorry if it hits so close to home.
Like it or not, that's the case with a majority of the armed forces. Not saying it's a bad thing either, you don't need to be smart to serve your country admirably. It's not insulting, it's a truthful observation. I'm sorry if it hits so close to home.
Originally posted by: senseamp
Looks like Kerry was speaking about Bush. That if you don't study and work hard, you get (the country) stuck in Iraq.
You could look at it that way but I don't think that's what he was saying.
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