Does American society view homosexuality as moral?

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Does American Society see homosexuality as morally acceptable?

  • Yes, the majority of American society does view homosexuality as morally OK

  • No, The majority of American society does not view homosexuality as morally OK

  • America is, more or less 50/50 split on homosexuality

  • I have no idea, and just wanted to vote in the poll.


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Elfear

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Because bigotry is a result of irrational fear or misunderstanding. Call it moral justification or whatever you would like but its still just bigotry wrapped up in a PC package.

Ok, once again. So those who find infidelity immoral have an irrational fear of married people having sex with someone besides their spouse? People who find murder immoral have an irrational fear of killing? People who find stealing immoral have an irrational fear of people taking stuff that isn't theirs?
 

Steeplerot

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Ok, once again. So those who find infidelity immoral have an irrational fear of married people having sex with someone besides their spouse? People who find murder immoral have an irrational fear of killing? People who find stealing immoral have an irrational fear of people taking stuff that isn't theirs?

The very example that you would use of deceit of a spouse or raping of an animal to associate homosexuality with shows your bigotry, unless you are trying to play devil advocate please dont waste your time replying with bigotry, its offensive and transparent.


Your question is as bombastic as asking stuff like:
Are white people morally bad? White people are serial killers and KKK members who like to be racists. Does this make me a bigot assuming all whites are this way and to pin such actions on a group of people? This is bullshit circular logic to justify bigotry plain and simple.
 
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Don't have a problem with it, or gay marriage in general. I think the country is still more anti-gay than pro-gay, though not by a lot, and my region of the country is more pro-gay rights than anti-gay, though that's pretty evenly split as well.

Overall, I don't think there's really any question that homosexuality is moral. The anti-gay arguments are usually almost exclusively religious in nature, and knowing that, they're hard to take seriously when there are so many different religions with different interpretations of homosexuality. Even if all religions were anti-gay, it would be irrelevant to the natural nature of homosexuality.
 

zsdersw

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TheRedUnderURBed said:
Funny how most homophobe bigots are redneck middle-west types who love bringing up farm sex. One thing about cons, they LOVE to project. Makes you wonder eh?

I noticed how you edited out "redneck", but what does "middle-west types" mean? Where do you live?

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I think it's probably because they only have sex with their female farm animals. Obviously having sex with the male ones would be immoral

My my... stereotypes a-plenty.
 

Mursilis

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I agree but judging someones life style based on their sexuality as "Immoral" is prejudicial. Perhaps not discriminatory (depending on how far they take their prejudice)

That's just needlessly confrontational. I'm in an inter-racial marriage, and so are several people in my family. I don't give a damn who approves of it or who doesn't; all I care about is whether people will let me live in peace. The vast majority of people are happy to keep their negative views (if they have any) to themselves; in fact, it's never been an issue in nearly 15 years. Gays should worry less about approval, and more about tolerance.
 

jonks

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I don't know that the Court was really ahead of society at the time of Loving v. Virginia (the interracial marriage case). The Catholic, Presbyterian, and Unitarian churches all came out in favor of interracial marriage prior to the Loving decision. I seriously doubt there was a huge public outcry to arrest the Lovings for getting married back then; I suspect the police were merely acting on their own racism. The Lovings were, after all, able to legally marry in DC, and several other jurisdictions did not prohibit interracial marriage at the time.

They were WAY ahead of it.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/28417/most-americans-approve-interracial-marriages.aspx

Plurality approval of interracial marriages didn't happen until 1991 and majority approval a couple years after that.
 
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HAL9000

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LOL Who's your da-a-a-a-a-dy?

D: Oh my.

Don't have a problem with it, or gay marriage in general. I think the country is still more anti-gay than pro-gay, though not by a lot, and my region of the country is more pro-gay rights than anti-gay, though that's pretty evenly split as well.

Overall, I don't think there's really any question that homosexuality is moral. The anti-gay arguments are usually almost exclusively religious in nature, and knowing that they're hard to take seriously when there are so many different religions with different interpretations of homosexuality. Even if all religions were anti-gay, it would be irrelevant to the natural nature of homosexuality.

Very true. Although there is a guy in this thread who I'm sure will be happy to lecture you on why homosexuality is immoral and how he has "justified"it.. :|
 

HAL9000

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I noticed how you edited out "redneck", but what does "middle-west types" mean? Where do you live?



My my... stereotypes a-plenty.

That was my stereotype of a homophobe. I confess, I am prejudice against homophobes, sexists, racists, Nazi's, serial killers... and the french.
The french was a joke

That's just needlessly confrontational. I'm in an inter-racial marriage, and so are several people in my family. I don't give a damn who approves of it or who doesn't; all I care about is whether people will let me live in peace. The vast majority of people are happy to keep their negative views (if they have any) to themselves; in fact, it's never been an issue in nearly 15 years. Gays should worry less about approval, and more about tolerance.

Agreed. I'm not arguing that they are being discriminatory, just prejudice.
 

Elfear

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The very example that you would use of deceit of a spouse or raping of an animal to associate homosexuality with shows your bigotry, unless you are trying to play devil advocate please dont waste your time replying with bigotry, its offensive and transparent.

Hmm, seems to me you have an irrational fear of those who don't agree with you.
 

Steeplerot

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I noticed how you edited out "redneck", but what does "middle-west types" mean? Where do you live?



My my... stereotypes a-plenty.

I tend to get annoyed at bigots and have very little patience at times and will be bombastic back at these folks. I am in too much of a diplomatic mood today I guess to feed the trolls in that way.

The middle-west is the place where most of the fundies extremists live, same as the middle-east with a slightly different stone age religion/book. Same shit, different assholes.
 
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Mursilis

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jonks

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Interesting stuff, and news to me (sad, really). Still, the question I'd like to see answered is, when did the majority think interracial marriage shouldn't be against the law. As I've noted above, tolerance isn't the same as approval.

No, it is not, but the numbers you see for tolerance of same sex couples is still way higher than tolerance/approval of gay marriage.
 

BurnItDwn

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Almost everybody I know doesn't give a shit about homosexuality. Sure, we may poke a joke or two at our un-closeted homo friends, but, there's no question about morals.

Now, I live in a suburb of Chicago, which is a lot more socially liberal than lots of the country, so perhaps elsewhere things are different, but, I'd say the majority of the people I know or have met in my life don't think there's anything immoral about what 2 consenting adults do.

My grandma is the religious type, and she would frown upon 2 consenting adults shagging if they weren't married, but I don't think she would give a crap if they were straight or gay...
 

zsdersw

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Nope. My definition alines with the definition's on google.

No, your definition says that anyone who views homosexuality as immoral is a homophobe. Using Google as the arbiter (your desired authority, not mine), the most common definition is a person who has "fear and hatred of homosexuals and/or homosexuality". Judging something to be immoral is not necessarily rooted in fear and hatred. Upbringing and experience is a large contributor as well. Unfamiliarity, when changed to familiarity, very often does not result in fear and hatred.
 
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Steeplerot

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Hmm, seems to me you have an irrational fear of those who don't agree with you.

People being discriminated against for nothing more then how they were born tends to piss people off when someone tries to justify it. Associating people with humping animals is pretty low also. Not fear, just a bit frustrating not being able to bitchslap bigots through the monitor for being so stupid/barbaric in 2011. ():)
 

zsdersw

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I tend to get annoyed at bigots and have very little patience at times and will be bombastic back at these folks. I am in too much of a diplomatic mood today I guess to feed the trolls in that way.

My remark was more of a criticism of using "redneck" in the first place.

The middle-west is the place where most of the fundies extremists live, same as the middle-east with a slightly different stone age religion/book. Same shit, different assholes.

So, which states in the US comprise what you consider the "middle-west"? I'm curious, because you seem like someone who doesn't have a clue.