Does American society view homosexuality as moral?

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Does American Society see homosexuality as morally acceptable?

  • Yes, the majority of American society does view homosexuality as morally OK

  • No, The majority of American society does not view homosexuality as morally OK

  • America is, more or less 50/50 split on homosexuality

  • I have no idea, and just wanted to vote in the poll.


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thraashman

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Scotteq

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How in the hell do 63% of people consider cloning animals morally wrong but only 26% consider the government murdering people to be wrong?


Perhaps they're jsut being Pragmatic: It's still possible to influence whether or not animals get cloned (Inevitable, IMHO), but asking the US Goverment to not kill people is probably just a bit much. :\
 

jonks

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How in the hell do 63% of people consider cloning animals morally wrong but only 26% consider the government murdering people to be wrong?

The power lies in the question. The govt does not 'murder' people as murder implies a criminal act. What people approve of is death as punishment for convicted killers, I doubt they care whether the govt or a private contracter carries out the sentence.

If you asked people if they approve of murdering children you're likely to get a different answer than if you asked whether they condone abortion.
 

Mursilis

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No law directly contradicting it is likely to ever pass a state legislature, but we were speaking of what society felt, and occasionally the court gets ahead of that curve (interracial marriage).


I don't know that the Court was really ahead of society at the time of Loving v. Virginia (the interracial marriage case). The Catholic, Presbyterian, and Unitarian churches all came out in favor of interracial marriage prior to the Loving decision. I seriously doubt there was a huge public outcry to arrest the Lovings for getting married back then; I suspect the police were merely acting on their own racism. The Lovings were, after all, able to legally marry in DC, and several other jurisdictions did not prohibit interracial marriage at the time.
 

Steeplerot

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Let's rewind this to back to the 1930's. Same deal.

Just so we're clear, are you equating people who find unchristian Jewish faith and their greedy lifestyle immoral = fascist supporters?

How is there a difference? Discrimination is discrimination regardless of what you excuse you use to justify bigotry.
 
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Elfear

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So those who find infidelity immoral have an irrational fear of married people having sex with someone besides their spouse? People who find murder immoral have an irrational fear of killing? People who find stealing immoral have an irrational fear of people taking stuff that isn't theirs?
 

HAL9000

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So those who find infidelity immoral have an irrational fear of married people having sex with someone besides their spouse? People who find murder immoral have an irrational fear of killing? People who find stealing immoral have an irrational fear of people taking stuff that isn't theirs?

The definition has changed the word homophobia no longer just pertains to those who have an irrational fear of homosexuality. google it.
 

Mursilis

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Let's rewind this to back to the 1930's. Same deal.



How is there a difference? Discrimination is discrimination regardless of what you excuse you use to justify bigotry.

Man, you're thick! Just because a person thinks homosexuality is immoral doesn't necessarily mean they're going to discriminate against gays! I personally know a Catholic family running a restaurant, and they don't refuse to serve meat on Fridays during Lent, even if they themselves won't eat it. Two gay men living together shouldn't (and probably don't) care if their neighbor thinks they're immoral; all they should care about is whether their neighbor will let them live in peace. Plenty of people think gambling is immoral, but they aren't beating up people down at the horse track either.
 

Elfear

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The definition has changed the word homophobia no longer just pertains to those who have an irrational fear of homosexuality. google it.

Choose whichever definition you like. If you are using homophobe to mean one who has a bigoted hatred of gays, than I ask the same questions I did above only substituting "bigoted hatred of" with "irrational fear of". Your stance doesn't make sense.
 

HAL9000

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Man, you're thick! Just because a person thinks homosexuality is immoral doesn't necessarily mean they're going to discriminate against gays! I personally know a Catholic family running a restaurant, and they don't refuse to serve meat on Fridays during Lent, even if they themselves won't eat it. Two gay men living together shouldn't (and probably don't) care if their neighbor thinks they're immoral; all they should care about is whether their neighbor will let them live in peace. Plenty of people think gambling is immoral, but they aren't beating up people down at the horse track either.

I agree but judging someones life style based on their sexuality as "Immoral" is prejudicial. Perhaps not discriminatory (depending on how far they take their prejudice)
 

Steeplerot

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So those who find infidelity immoral have an irrational fear of married people having sex with someone besides their spouse? People who find murder immoral have an irrational fear of killing? People who find stealing immoral have an irrational fear of people taking stuff that isn't theirs?


How are any of these related to the subject of 2 consenting adults relationships? Yes, you are a homophobe. Surprising you did not bring up farm sex also, another favorite of bigots to try to associate with homosexuality. What a dirtbag person this poster is.
 

HAL9000

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How are any of these related to the subject of 2 consenting adults relationships? Yes, you are a homophobe. Surprising you did not bring up farm sex also, another favorite of bigots to try to associate with homosexuality. What a dirtbag person this poster is.

They do tend to do that don't they, my favourite thing about homophobes is that they always think I'm trying to fuck them. So I play on that. They love it! HA :biggrin:
 

Steeplerot

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Choose whichever definition you like. If you are using homophobe to mean one who has a bigoted hatred of gays, than I ask the same questions I did above only substituting "bigoted hatred of" with "irrational fear of". Your stance doesn't make sense.

Because bigotry is a result of irrational fear or misunderstanding. Call it moral justification or whatever you would like but its still just bigotry wrapped up in a PC package.
 

Steeplerot

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They do tend to do that don't they, my favourite thing about homophobes is that they always think I'm trying to fuck them. So I play on that. They love it! HA :biggrin:

Funny how most homophobe bigots are middle-west types who love bringing up farm sex. One thing about social conservatives, they LOVE to bitch about stuff that they are guilty of projecting from their own actions in their personal lives. Makes you wonder eh?

*cue banjos*
 

Elfear

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Homophobes, as I define them, are those who say and do things that are disrespectful to homosexuals. Lots of people who find homosexuality immoral are not disrespectful to homosexuals.

That would be my definition too.


How are any of these related to the subject of 2 consenting adults relationships? Yes, you are a homophobe. Surprising you did not bring up farm sex also, another favorite of bigots to try to associate with homosexuality. What a dirtbag person this poster is.

How is infidelity related to the relationship of two consenting adults? :hmm:
 

HAL9000

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Funny how most homophobe bigots are redneck middle-west types who love bringing up farm sex. One thing about cons, they LOVE to project. Makes you wonder eh?

I think it's probably because they only have sex with their female farm animals. Obviously having sex with the male ones would be immoral :hmm: