does a smooth shift necessarily indicate low clutch wear?

[BlahBlahYouToo]

lets assume you're not taking half a minute to let the clutch out. is this generally true?

 

[big man]

Rev matching (even on upshifts) plays a more significant role in clutch wear than how long it takes you to engage the clutch.

 

[CupCak3]

Originally posted by: big man
Rev matching (even on upshifts) plays a more significant role in clutch wear than how long it takes you to engage the clutch.

I'm ASSuming you that it minimimes clutch wear? To be honest when I first started driving stick I always ASSumed it would wear quicker that way until I read things here and there saying the opposite.

 

[jlee]

Slipping wears clutches.

 

[BlackTigers]

No, because I can let out my clutch slooowlllyyy and get a smooth shift.

But that's terrible for the clutch.

 

[woodie1]

Actually, once you let the clutch out from a stop you don't need it until you come to a stop again.

 

[BlackTigers]

Originally posted by: woodie1
Actually, once you let the clutch out from a stop you don't need it until you come to a stop again.

Please tell.

 

[jhu]

Originally posted by: BlackTigers

Originally posted by: woodie1
Actually, once you let the clutch out from a stop you don't need it until you come to a stop again.

Please tell.

Technically you don't, but you need to match revs exactly to the current speed in order to shift without causing excess wear on the gear's synchros. Obviously, if you shift this way there will be no clutch wear.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: jhu

Originally posted by: BlackTigers

Originally posted by: woodie1
Actually, once you let the clutch out from a stop you don't need it until you come to a stop again.

Please tell.

Technically you don't, but you need to match revs exactly to the current speed in order to shift without causing excess wear on the gear's synchros. Obviously, if you shift this way there will be no clutch wear.

I once had the clutch cable on my '83 Mustang snap... My dad was astonished when I drove it several miles to the place where I had it fixed. The car had no neutral lock on the transmission, so I'd pull up to a stoplight, kill the engine, then use the starter motor to get the car rolling in first gear, at which point it would catch, and then I could just drive normally while rev-matching. Good times...

 

[thedarkwolf]

Originally posted by: Kadarin

Originally posted by: jhu

Originally posted by: BlackTigers

Originally posted by: woodie1
Actually, once you let the clutch out from a stop you don't need it until you come to a stop again.

Please tell.

Technically you don't, but you need to match revs exactly to the current speed in order to shift without causing excess wear on the gear's synchros. Obviously, if you shift this way there will be no clutch wear.

I once had the clutch cable on my '83 Mustang snap... My dad was astonished when I drove it several miles to the place where I had it fixed. The car had no neutral lock on the transmission, so I'd pull up to a stoplight, kill the engine, then use the starter motor to get the car rolling in first gear, at which point it would catch, and then I could just drive normally while rev-matching. Good times...

Yeah I had to do that in the miata a bunch. Had all kinds of problems with the hydraulic clutch system in it. Every time I'd replace one part and think it was fixed another would die. Finally after replacing everything some of it twice it seems to be fixed.

 

[jhu]

Originally posted by: Kadarin
I once had the clutch cable on my '83 Mustang snap... My dad was astonished when I drove it several miles to the place where I had it fixed. The car had no neutral lock on the transmission, so I'd pull up to a stoplight, kill the engine, then use the starter motor to get the car rolling in first gear, at which point it would catch, and then I could just drive normally while rev-matching. Good times...

How long did the starter last?

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: jhu

Originally posted by: BlackTigers

Originally posted by: woodie1
Actually, once you let the clutch out from a stop you don't need it until you come to a stop again.

Please tell.

Technically you don't, but you need to match revs exactly to the current speed in order to shift without causing excess wear on the gear's synchros. Obviously, if you shift this way there will be no clutch wear.

I have been driving my Accord everyday like that for over a year and a half.

It's so neat to not have to use the clutch. It feels as if the car has a cool tiptronic system but with gears in manual shift layout not + / - lol

It's fun to drive manual cars like that. After takeoff from 1st gear, all my shifts up and down are rev matched and without using the clutch.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Originally posted by: BlackTigers
No, because I can let out my clutch slooowlllyyy and get a smooth shift.

But that's terrible for the clutch.

yeah, that's why i stated not taking a minute to let the clutch out.

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: jhu

Originally posted by: BlackTigers

Originally posted by: woodie1
Actually, once you let the clutch out from a stop you don't need it until you come to a stop again.

Please tell.

Technically you don't, but you need to match revs exactly to the current speed in order to shift without causing excess wear on the gear's synchros. Obviously, if you shift this way there will be no clutch wear.

I have been driving my Accord everyday like that for over a year and a half.

It's so neat to not have to use the clutch. It feels as if the car has a cool tiptronic system but with gears in manual shift layout not + / - lol

It's fun to drive manual cars like that. After takeoff from 1st gear, all my shifts up and down are rev matched and without using the clutch.

Your shift forks probably hate you.

While it can definitely be done, shifting without the clutch does put extra stress on the shift forks and I generally don't recommend it.

ZV

 

[KIAman]

My advice, just use the damned clutch. Clutch repair cheaper than synchro repair.

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: jhu

Originally posted by: BlackTigers

Originally posted by: woodie1
Actually, once you let the clutch out from a stop you don't need it until you come to a stop again.

Please tell.

Technically you don't, but you need to match revs exactly to the current speed in order to shift without causing excess wear on the gear's synchros. Obviously, if you shift this way there will be no clutch wear.

I have been driving my Accord everyday like that for over a year and a half.

It's so neat to not have to use the clutch. It feels as if the car has a cool tiptronic system but with gears in manual shift layout not + / - lol

It's fun to drive manual cars like that. After takeoff from 1st gear, all my shifts up and down are rev matched and without using the clutch.

Your shift forks probably hate you.

While it can definitely be done, shifting without the clutch does put extra stress on the shift forks and I generally don't recommend it.

ZV

I kan't haz rev shift?

 

[exdeath]

Generally it's the opposite as far as clutch wear goes. A harsh jerky clutch that has more bite is newer and less worn than one that is smooth and slipping a little and absorbing discrepancies. Any slight errors by the operator or looseness in the drive train is going to be exasperated by a newer and grabbier clutch and cause more pronounced jerking.

As far as smooth shifts go, that's impacted more by your clutch release adjustment and drive train slack than the clutch itself, assuming you know how to drive a manual in the first place

 

[BlackTigers]

I just tried shifting without a clutch....I didn't know you could actually do that after driving stick for....8? months. Nifty.

But it's more work to worrk about matching the rev's than it is to just push the damn pedal down, haha.

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: BlackTigers
I just tried shifting without a clutch....I didn't know you could actually do that after driving stick for....8? months. Nifty.

But it's more work to worrk about matching the rev's than it is to just push the damn pedal down, haha.

It's like learning how to drive manual, after doing it for so long, you stop thinking and it just happens in a flash.

But, I am going to heed ZV's warning, I will limit my clutch-less endeavors to a minimum

 

[BlackTigers]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: BlackTigers
I just tried shifting without a clutch....I didn't know you could actually do that after driving stick for....8? months. Nifty.

But it's more work to worrk about matching the rev's than it is to just push the damn pedal down, haha.

It's like learning how to drive manual, after doing it for so long, you stop thinking and it just happens in a flash.

But, I am going to heed ZV's warning, I will limit my clutch-less endeavors to a minimum

He's right, it's hard on the shifting mechanisms do do anything with that much stress on the parts (put the clutch in, and the only stress is the rotating of the wheels, not the engine as well).

After replacing my transmission twice, I'm not to keen on going for a third. I'll use my clutch, haha

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: BlackTigers
I just tried shifting without a clutch....I didn't know you could actually do that after driving stick for....8? months. Nifty.

But it's more work to worrk about matching the rev's than it is to just push the damn pedal down, haha.

It's like learning how to drive manual, after doing it for so long, you stop thinking and it just happens in a flash.

But, I am going to heed ZV's warning, I will limit my clutch-less endeavors to a minimum

Unless a person is just god-awful with technique, most clutch wear occurs when starting out in 1st gear anyway.

It's not catastrophic to shift without the clutch as long as you're not grinding gears, but it definitely does require more force on the shift lever and wears the linkage and shift forks more as a result. Whether that's meaningful wear over the typical life of a car is debatable, but given that the clutch is supposed to wear and the transmission is not, I tend to prefer to put wear on the clutch.

ZV