Does a lower bit rate video play faster or slower?

xMax

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It seems as though the bandwidth of hardware and software are opposites.

The higher the data rate of hardware the faster it is.

The lower the data rate of a media file the faster it is.

Does this make sense?

For instance:

Two AVI videos, each encoded with a different encoder program, but both encoded to lossless RLE. One has a data rate of 200KB/s and ther other has 220KB/S.

Now i dont know why the different encoding programs produce different data rates, but the idea is that the one with a lower data rate should play out faster since there is less data that has to be processed.

Am I making sense?

 

Fistandantilis

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I am not 100% sure but I think that lower bit rate will just degrade quality, someone correct me if I am wrong...
 

BassBomb

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i concur with the reply ...

like i made a video with fraps and it goes 1000k/s or so and doesnt go fast , if it did then it would have been done in seconds
 

TheRyuu

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As an example, mpeg2 that you find on dvd's will always play at a speed of ~30fps. Whether the bitrate is 500kb/s or 5000kb/s is irrelavent to the speed it is played it. The bit rate basically is what controls the quiality of the video and consiquently the size of the file.

For your example, the difference between 200kb/s and 220kb/s isn't very much. Todays modern processors can process much higher bitrates, into the HD formats (like H264) that can go into mb/s.

So, basically it all falls on the processor to do the processing, and all modern processors (even the Athlon XP's and older P4's) can handle a lot. Some can even be offloaded to the video card.
 

xMax

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You are all probably right about the bit rate only being relevant to image quality as playback is whats relevant to playback performance.

However, this only applies to a media file whos bit rate can be handled by the computer. That is, given two media files, both containing different but small enough bit rates that the processor can easily handle, will play out at the same frame rate. Assuming its a low frame rate that the monitor and computer can handle. But this is so because they can both be handled by the processor.

The reason that i came to this conclusion is becase I made a 1FPS animation but with a ridiculously high bit rate to see if it can playback properly. Sure enough, my computer, which is top notch, was not able to handle the playback. It kept choking up big time. The reason was simply because of the really high bit rate. This means that if the bit rate is too high, then it will not playback correctly.

Its the same thing with my animations, where i have the uncompressed versions and the RLE compressed versions, as the uncompressed versions cant play at faster than 4FPS, while the RLE versions, which are lossless, can play at faster than 60FPS. And when viewing the bit rate on both, the uncompressed version, besides having a really large size, had a really large bit rate, which is what caused it to playback slowly.

I then rendered the same animation with RLE encoding but looped it so that its size matched that of the uncompressed clip, and sure enough, even though it had the same size as the uncompressed clip, it ran at faster than 60FPS. The only difference between it and the uncompressed version was the bit rate, which means that bit rate does affect playback speed.

Of course, lower bit rates do impair quality, for audio or for video, but only when dealing with lossy compression. With lossless compression, like my Run Length Encoder, there is no image quality loss what so ever. And so, if both files are lossless and thus the same quality, but one has a smaller bit rate than the other, then the smaller one will play out faster than the larger one. But only if the files are above the computers processing threshold.

Conclusion:
- Bit rate does affect quality when dealing with lossy compression but not lossless compression.
- Lower bit rates run faster than higher bit rates only when they both exceed the computers processing capabilities, since two different bit rate files both below the computers processing threshold will play out at the same speed.

But why am i asking you guys if i knew this?

Well, simply put, because i wasn't sure. But in thinking it through after reading your replies and writing my own reply, i think that what im saying makes sense. At a basic level of course, since taken in depth will show many possibilities that contradict my theory.
 

TheRyuu

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Originally posted by: xMax
But why am i asking you guys if i knew this?

Well, simply put, because i wasn't sure. But in thinking it through after reading your replies and writing my own reply, i think that what im saying makes sense. At a basic level of course, since taken in depth will show many possibilities that contradict my theory.

It's ok.
I come here all the time to make sure of things. I always like to be sure so I don't fvck up a $300 video card (for 1.4vgpu mod on 7900GT).

Cause I figured out a lot of stuff on my own, just I wasn't sure.

A little OT:
You overclock your processor at all? Cause you could probably hit 4ghz easily on that thing.