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Dodge Viper runs 7:12.13 at the Nurburgring

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GTSRguy

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Team Viper went back to the ring, and re-took the production car record with a 7:12.13 The car was a 2010 ACR spec, brand new off the showroom floor.


http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/15/dodge-viper-lays-claim-to-nurburgring-record-with-7-12-run/

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Keen enthusiasts will note that the Dodge Viper is no longer in production, so SRT sourced a pair of brand-new 2010 models from Tomball Dodge of Texas before having them prepped for action by Mintgen Motorsports, a shop just down the road from the Nordschleife.
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no word on what "prepped for action" actually entails....
 
😱 If I remember correctly Dodge only ran twice back in 2008. I remember watching the video and thinking they could've shaved more time if they wanted to with a cleaner run.
 
Errm... That's not the production car record... Why the fuck do I keep reading this shit...

The (English) Radical SR8 got round there quicker.
The Gumpert Apollo Sport got round there quicker...
 
HAL9000 said:
Errm... That's not the production car record... Why the fuck do I keep reading this shit...

The (English) Radical SR8 got round there quicker.
The Gumpert Apollo Sport got round there quicker...
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Those are awesome cars. However, they are basically hand-built race cars that are street legal .. well almost nowhere in fact, without considerable changes.

To be fair, the same can be said of the ACR. You have to make some minor changes (front air splitter?) before you can drive it on the road.

IIRC the gumpert is more streetable than the Radical, which actually requires fairly significant work to be on the road in say Germany or the States.
 
how fast do various race cars get around the track? i'd love to see a fat pig nascar go around the carousel.
 
Arkaign said:
Those are awesome cars. However, they are basically hand-built race cars that are street legal .. well almost nowhere in fact, without considerable changes.

To be fair, the same can be said of the ACR. You have to make some minor changes (front air splitter?) before you can drive it on the road.

IIRC the gumpert is more streetable than the Radical, which actually requires fairly significant work to be on the road in say Germany or the States.
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I accept that, but the distinction between a stripped out Viper and the Gumpert are absurd. They are both stripped out lightened race cars that you can drive on the road...
 
ElFenix said:
how fast do various race cars get around the track? i'd love to see a fat pig nascar go around the carousel.
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Nascar cup cars are about 3400lbs soaking wet (full fuel load). Not really that bad considering they're loaded to the hilt with safety gear.

With the tires they run, it'd probably be in the low to mid 6 minute range, if tuned right (they tune them very differently for various tracks).

However, LeMans cars or any F1 car would blow the doors off of the Nascar just due to being purpose built for it 110%. IIRC BMW recently stated that one of their race cars was capable of around a 5:15 there just due to the newer tech.
 
HAL9000 said:
I accept that, but the distinction between a stripped out Viper and the Gumpert are absurd. They are both stripped out lightened race cars that you can drive on the road...
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You may be mistaking the ACR with the ACR-X or GT-2 cars, which are indeed much more severe.

I agree fundamentally though. It's a shame not to mention the Gumpert in the article. The Radical I don't really rate, as it's much more of a kit car designed for absolutely nothing but track queen duty. The Apollo could be made street legal here without too much tweaking, even though that would detract from the performance somewhat. The same is true of the ACR after the splitter is removed.
 
Arkaign said:
You may be mistaking the ACR with the ACR-X or GT-2 cars, which are indeed much more severe.

I agree fundamentally though. It's a shame not to mention the Gumpert in the article. The Radical I don't really rate, as it's much more of a kit car designed for absolutely nothing but track queen duty. The Apollo could be made street legal here without too much tweaking, even though that would detract from the performance somewhat. The same is true of the ACR after the splitter is removed.
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I've always wondered what has to be done to make cars street legal in America... :hmm:

I like the radical it's a track day car that you can use on the road! What fun! Like the Atom.
 
HAL9000 said:
I've always wondered what has to be done to make cars street legal in America... :hmm:

I like the radical it's a track day car that you can use on the road! What fun! Like the Atom.
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Hahah yeah I'm sure it's insane amounts of fun. I wouldn't dare drive one on the road though, roads of a high enough quality are too rare, and around here I'd get smashed by an H2 that mistook me for an RC car that has meandered onto the roadway, if he even saw me at all 🙂

The safety specs here are very tough, and get tougher all the time. One can argue one way or the other about it, I guess in the end many lives are saved compared to old tech, but it does make it harder for the sports car enthusiast crowd. Oddly, I think a couple of people have jumped through enough hoops to get exemptions for Atoms over here, but it's really tough because the laws vary so much state to state and even in different cities with regulations for noise, etc.
 
Arkaign said:
Hahah yeah I'm sure it's insane amounts of fun. I wouldn't dare drive one on the road though, roads of a high enough quality are too rare, and around here I'd get smashed by an H2 that mistook me for an RC car that has meandered onto the roadway, if he even saw me at all 🙂
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That's fair, The road quality in the states were quite poor when I was over there, in the UK all the A or M roads seem pretty good.

The safety specs here are very tough, and get tougher all the time. One can argue one way or the other about it, I guess in the end many lives are saved compared to old tech, but it does make it harder for the sports car enthusiast crowd. Oddly, I think a couple of people have jumped through enough hoops to get exemptions for Atoms over here, but it's really tough because the laws vary so much state to state and even in different cities with regulations for noise, etc.
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It's interesting because obviously our "nanny state" is very safety oriented with cars, so I'm interested to know what the differences are.
 
A splitter can't extend past the bumper for a street legal vehicle in the US.

FMVSS 215. The ACR is not street legal in the US in the photo, iirc.
 
Arkaign said:
However, LeMans cars or any F1 car would blow the doors off of the Nascar just due to being purpose built for it 110%. IIRC BMW recently stated that one of their race cars was capable of around a 5:15 there just due to the newer tech.
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Nick Heidfeld lapping it in 2007

On 28 April 2007, Nick Heidfeld drove a BMW Sauber F1.06 Formula One car around the Nordschleife, on a BMW publicity day in combination with a VLN 4h endurance race.
For safety reasons, BMW announced that the car was slowed with hard demonstration tires, maximum ride height, and 275 km/h top speed limited by the transmission. Heidfeld drove three laps on the combined Nordschleife and short GP-track, as used in VLN races, with a track length of 24.433 km.

The official lap time released by BMW Sauber was declared to be 8:34 (thus ca. 30 seconds slower than the fastest Porsche 996 turbo in VLN). The German press duly reported this lap time, yet criticized BMW. In each lap, Heidfeld slowed down once to pose for a slow video truck, at Schwedenkreuz on the first lap 1, Kesselchen in lap 2, and Döttinger Höhe in the last lap. The two time spans in between the three passes of Heidfeld were clocked by some fans around the track, first Wehrseifen to Wehrseifen in about 7:28, then 7:22 from Klostertal to Klostertal, which is over 50 seconds quicker than the fastest current Porsche 997 GT3 RSR in VLN. This translates to an average of about 200 km/h (120 mph), similar to Bellof's record, but considering the slow GP section, Heidfeld probably was faster on the Nordschleife, close to 6 minutes. Fans who respect the official record of the late Stefan Bellof settle for an "estimated 6:12".

Road & Track magazine reported Heidfeld's lap was a 5:57 or 5:58 (for the Nordschleife only), breaking the track's six-minute barrier for the first time in history. However, their times were done by measuring the speed in some corners, and then calculating a lap time, and not timing a full lap. Heidfeld has since expressed his desire to repeat the experience with less restriction.

According to formula one F1 Racing magazine of June 2006, BMW engineers had estimated that a BMW-Sauber F1.06 could lap in under 5:15.8 which equals to an average of 237 km/h (147 mph).
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