Documents: PETA kills more than 95 percent of pets in its care

[SirStev0]

http://www.michigandaily.com/news/peta-protests-universitys-use-cats-experiment



RIiiight. I'm the Kool-Aid drinker? Wake the fuck up.

I am guessing you just googled and linked with out even reading that one, cause it doesn't really support your claim ...

“The cats were adopted out whenever possible, but medical conditions, behavioral problems or the inability to find a new home prevented some adoptions,”

 

[BladeVenom]

Here you go you fucking re-re, since I know you aren't going to read the link.

Here's a repost. You don't even have to read. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ijLulwUTY

 

[SirStev0]

Here's a repost. You don't even have to read. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ijLulwUTY

Oh good. Penn and Teller. Great to know that you get your news from unbiased well researched journalist.

I enjoy their mix of magic and comedy too, but I don't base my opinions on them. Especially not the quiet one. He has shifty eyes.

 

[BladeVenom]

Oh good. Penn and Teller. Great to know that you get your news from unbiased well researched journalist.

You'd believe PETA? But you want believe the protest footage you see with your own eyes?

 

[sactoking]

I think where SirStevO and BladeVenom are at loggerheads is the fact that you're technically arguing about two different things:
SirStevO is arguing that the act of euthanizing stray companion animals is humane and "ethical" when taken at face value
BladeVenom (and many other posters ITT) is arguing that the act of euthanizing stray companion animals is hypocritical in light of PETAs broader definition of "ethics" concerning all animals

I agree with SirStevO that compassionate euthanasia is quite often the "ethical" option. I also agree with BladeVenom that PETAs working definition of "ethical treatment" of animals (all animals are on par with humans, killing animals is murder, using animal products should be combatted with violence, etc) does not reconcile with the preceding sentence.

While I might question the motives behind the source in the OP that is not enough to broadly discount the allegations. And those allegations are pretty ugly. If PETA does indeed euthanize 84% of companion animals within 24 hours of arrival that would seem to be a figure grossly disproportionate to other, similar organizations like SPCA. Indeed, around here an organization euthanizing 84% would be labeled a "high-kill" shelter and other rescue operations exist to take animals off the hands of shelters whose prevailing solution seems to be euthanisia.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

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This is not an enviable situation: From PETA's perspective insulting them for doing they best they can in a hard situation is like insulting the Germans for letting some people in an instrument camp starve so they could feed the front-line troupes.



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[SirStev0]

I think where SirStevO and BladeVenom are at loggerheads is the fact that you're technically arguing about two different things:
SirStevO is arguing that the act of euthanizing stray companion animals is humane and "ethical" when taken at face value
BladeVenom (and many other posters ITT) is arguing that the act of euthanizing stray companion animals is hypocritical in light of PETAs broader definition of "ethics" concerning all animals

I agree with SirStevO that compassionate euthanasia is quite often the "ethical" option. I also agree with BladeVenom that PETAs working definition of "ethical treatment" of animals (all animals are on par with humans, killing animals is murder, using animal products should be combatted with violence, etc) does not reconcile with the preceding sentence.

While I might question the motives behind the source in the OP that is not enough to broadly discount the allegations. And those allegations are pretty ugly. If PETA does indeed euthanize 84% of companion animals within 24 hours of arrival that would seem to be a figure grossly disproportionate to other, similar organizations like SPCA. Indeed, around here an organization euthanizing 84% would be labeled a "high-kill" shelter and other rescue operations exist to take animals off the hands of shelters whose prevailing solution seems to be euthanisia.

Thank you. You actually summarized my feelings pretty perfectly. And since my attempt to hammer my opinions on the others with insults and cursing was failing, I appreciate your summation.

 

[Phoenix86]

Like I said, since you won't read it anyway:

Are you seriously going to try and say that 24 out of 1911 pets -> homes over a YEAR is a reasonable effort? That's -2- animals a month.

I could find 24 pets homes by myself with no funding in a fraction of the time. I don't think people are really appalled that PETA euthanized animals, it's the RATE. It's indefensible.

 

[Fausto]

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This is not an enviable situation: From PETA's perspective insulting them for doing they best they can in a hard situation is like insulting the Germans for letting some people in an instrument camp starve so they could feed the front-line troupes.



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Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.

 

[SirStev0]

Are you seriously going to try and say that 24 out of 1911 pets -> homes over a YEAR is a reasonable effort? That's -2- animals a month.

I could find 24 pets homes by myself with no funding in a fraction of the time. I don't think people are really appalled that PETA euthanized animals, it's the RATE. It's indefensible.

Do you know what "no-kill" shelters do with feral animals?
They send them to special "high-kill" (for lack of a better word I will use the sensationalist term) shelters.

Please do go out and find 24 pets homes. Really. Do it. Go to your local humane shelter and help out. Honestly go fucking do it. Don't sit here high and mighty on your computer desk throne and take the high road about what you "could do in a fraction of the time".

Problem is there AREN'T people out there doing it.

 

[SirStev0]

Fact is our government is run by Lobbyist.
Some of them are backed by billionaire Captains of Industry and others are backed by a few crazy celebrities.

I am sure you are picking your side because you love steak and bacon. Hey man, I agree. Bacon is fucking delicious. They can take my bacon when they pull it from my cold dead arteries.

But on this matter, I am not siding with the billionaires who want a cheap thing to experiment on so they will sling mud at the crazy celebrities.
I think the ethical euthanasia of animals is a necessary evil that we must endure until we can convince people to take some fucking responsibility (so never).

Which side are you on?

 

[Phoenix86]

Do you know what "no-kill" shelters do with feral animals?
They send them to special "high-kill" (for lack of a better word I will use the sensationalist term) shelters.

Please do go out and find 24 pets homes. Really. Do it. Go to your local humane shelter and help out. Honestly go fucking do it. Don't sit here high and mighty on your computer desk throne and take the high road about what you "could do in a fraction of the time".

Problem is there AREN'T people out there doing it.

I have volunteered at a local no-kill shelter, thanks for your concern however misguided and irrelevant it is.

Nothing you said justifies PETA's actions, you didn't even try.

 

[SirStev0]

I have volunteered at a local no-kill shelter, thanks for your concern however misguided and irrelevant it is.

Nothing you said justifies PETA's actions, you didn't even try.

Then you must know how difficult and expensive it is to shelter animals and find homes. That or you are just bullshitting. How many kennels did this shelter have? 10? 20? How many animals did they get a day?

The numbers of stray and feral animals are monumental. Ask anyone who is behind the scenes at these shelters and it is numbing the amount of money it takes. Most of which is grants and donations.

"No-Kill" shelters try hard, they do. But we saw many animals that were turned away by the one in our area because the shear numbers are stifling.

Everything I read about this PETA shelter is that it is basically a last resort drop off.
Do you think this shelter you worked at would have been able to take in an additional 1000 animals a year? Hell do you honestly think it could take another 24? I don't know about Texas but in West Virginia the shelters were always at maximum capacity.

 

[gorobei]

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/4988-Skin-Game

moviebob's video on the mario raccoon tail and some of the wtf aspects of peta. not sure if he provided outside links to research.

 

[Phoenix86]

Then you must know how difficult and expensive it is to shelter animals and find homes. That or you are just bullshitting. How many kennels did this shelter have? 10? 20? How many animals did they get a day?

The numbers of stray and feral animals are monumental. Ask anyone who is behind the scenes at these shelters and it is numbing the amount of money it takes. Most of which is grants and donations.

"No-Kill" shelters try hard, they do. But we saw many animals that were turned away by the one in our area because the shear numbers are stifling.

Everything I read about this PETA shelter is that it is basically a last resort drop off.
Do you think this shelter you worked at would have been able to take in an additional 1000 animals a year? Hell do you honestly think it could take another 24? I don't know about Texas but in West Virginia the shelters were always at maximum capacity.

Around 30 for cats and another 30 for dogs. They only take in what they have room for (true no-kill), but of course that means animals that get turned away likely die elsewhere (euthanized at another shelter).

The number are stifling, which is why I said in the first place it's not the fact PETA is euthanizing animals (this is unavoidable), it's the RATE. 1 person actively looking for a home for animals will place more than 24 in a year and PETA has far more resources than that available.

 

[SirStev0]

Around 30 for cats and another 30 for dogs. They only take in what they have room for (true no-kill), but of course that means animals that get turned away likely die elsewhere (euthanized at another shelter).

The number are stifling, which is why I said in the first place it's not the fact PETA is euthanizing animals (this is unavoidable), it's the RATE. 1 person actively looking for a home for animals will place more than 24 in a year and PETA has far more resources than that available.

I think I just automatically assumed it was a (again, for lack of a better word) "high-kill" shelter. They are common in major metro places (I believe this one is outside DC) and they pretty much just get daily drop offs of injured or feral animals with the idea that they are going to that specific place for euthanasia.
My assumption might be wrong but everything I read about it sounds that this is the case.

 

[0roo0roo]

Do you know what "no-kill" shelters do with feral animals?
They send them to special "high-kill" (for lack of a better word I will use the sensationalist term) shelters.

Please do go out and find 24 pets homes. Really. Do it. Go to your local humane shelter and help out. Honestly go fucking do it. Don't sit here high and mighty on your computer desk throne and take the high road about what you "could do in a fraction of the time".

Problem is there AREN'T people out there doing it.

why should they, these folks are the same ones crying about global warming. carbon cost of a pet is significant.

 

[AstroManLuca]

This is old news. I remember hearing about it a couple years ago.

Even kill shelters don't kill 95% of animals they take in. I've heard it's closer to 50%. Sad but it's a necessary part of our society, just like the factory farming that produces all the food we eat.

From what I understand, PETA lunatics see keeping pets as inhumane, and they think cats and dogs are somehow better off dead than "enslaved" by humans (nevermind that both species have been domesticated since prehistoric times).

 

[Dr. Zaus]

From what I understand, PETA lunatics see keeping pets as inhumane, and they think cats and dogs are somehow better off dead than "enslaved" by humans (nevermind that both species have been domesticated since prehistoric times).

Sounds legit to me.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Its horrible!and hard to believe

Don't play coy.

 

[SSSnail]

What I got out of reading this is that stev0 is waaayyy off in the deep end. Fucking fuck fucked all.

That, and...

If you support the idea of PETA, and you've EVER used any modern medicines, then just kill yourself because you're the biggest hypocritical idiot out there, amongst other idiots. Stop breathing, or breeding.

 

[Red Squirrel]

From what I understand, PETA lunatics see keeping pets as inhumane, and they think cats and dogs are somehow better off dead than "enslaved" by humans (nevermind that both species have been domesticated since prehistoric times).

Haha they clearly do not understand pets, especially cats.

It's more like we are enslaved by them.

 

[Fausto]

Don't play coy.

He's showing us some sincerity before hitting us with the free ipod offers.

 

[Fausto]

Sounds legit to me.

Most posts that contain "from what I understand" should be taken as gospel. Their veracity is typically second only to "my cousin Mike said" posts.

 

[Red Storm]

From what I understand, PETA lunatics see keeping pets as inhumane, and they think cats and dogs are somehow better off dead than "enslaved" by humans (nevermind that both species have been domesticated since prehistoric times).

I don't think that's right. The PETA spokesperson that was on The Daily Show owned a pet dog.