Doctor Who - Bad Wolf
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Spydermag68
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It would be absolutely awesome if the SciFi channel picked it up for a US broadcast, or even BBC America.
Ahh well, I'll just stick with my torrents.
Excellent, excellent season and an even better season finale.
Ahh well, I'll just stick with my torrents.
Excellent, excellent season and an even better season finale. 
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The new Dr. Who is easily the second best SciFi series I've EVER seen (next to the new Battlestar Galactica, and one notch above Babylon 5).
Sadly, none of the 'Trek' series hold a candle to any of the above three - ESPECIALLY not the modern series.
Yet, when people think 'SciFi' they still think 'Trek'.
Ah, well.
Sadly, none of the 'Trek' series hold a candle to any of the above three - ESPECIALLY not the modern series.
Yet, when people think 'SciFi' they still think 'Trek'.
Ah, well.
Actually, when I think "SciFi", I think of all the incredibly bad movies that they show on the weekends.
/me shivers.
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Doctor Who is too long to be aired without cutting parts of it.Originally posted by: Praetor
It would be absolutely awesome if the SciFi channel picked it up for a US broadcast, or even BBC America.
Ahh well, I'll just stick with my torrents.
I'm not sure how censors would react to Captain Jack either.:QOriginally posted by: ViRGE
Doctor Who is too long to be aired without cutting parts of it.Originally posted by: Praetor
It would be absolutely awesome if the SciFi channel picked it up for a US broadcast, or even BBC America.
Ahh well, I'll just stick with my torrents.
Too true. I'm interested to see that Battlestar Galactica is airing state-side first. Makes me even more interested to see the oversea's versions.
My wife has been a big fan of the Dr. Who series since she was just a wee lass...So when the new series started up I figured what the heck I'll see if it's any good...Well, I have to admit that this new series is just plain EXCELLENT! The first few episodes seemed a bit corny, so did the characters. But as newer episodes came out, it got better and better.
The wife and I both agree that we LOVE Chris Eccleston as the 9th Doctor...And we just got done watching the absolutely AWESOME 13th episode!!!
...Only to find out they've got a new Doctor already!!!??? :disgust: :| :Q
Here's the article on that:
http://www.tv.com/tracking/viewer.html&ref_id=34391&tid=8424&ref_type=101
WTF??!! I can only imagine they didn't expect Eccleston to "fill" the position of The Doctor as well as he did...Man, I hope they do something to bring him back!
The wife and I both agree that we LOVE Chris Eccleston as the 9th Doctor...And we just got done watching the absolutely AWESOME 13th episode!!!
...Only to find out they've got a new Doctor already!!!??? :disgust: :| :Q
Here's the article on that:
http://www.tv.com/tracking/viewer.html&ref_id=34391&tid=8424&ref_type=101
WTF??!! I can only imagine they didn't expect Eccleston to "fill" the position of The Doctor as well as he did...Man, I hope they do something to bring him back!
The new series, which actually ended this weekend with episode 13 (until the next series starts around Christmas), are only aired on the BBC (unfortunately NOT the BBC America channel).
Nope, Eccleston is the 9th Doctor...And they already have the 10th Doctor set (David Tennant, from the article I linked).
Nope, Eccleston is the 9th Doctor...And they already have the 10th Doctor set (David Tennant, from the article I linked).
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Okay, let's do some quick Doctor Who recap:
The Doctor in the Fox movie was the 8th Doctor, not the 9th. This new series starts out with the 9th Doctor and no explanation of what happened to the 8th. Presumably we may get an explanation in a flashback or a special or something.
The new Doctor Who is not shown in America, only in England at the moment. It is, however, highly likely given the warm reception it has received that SciFi or some other network (but almost certainly SciFi) will pick it up and air it in the US.
We US fans can download the show, of course. While it's in a legal grey area I find it highly unlikely that it'll ever be determined to be illegal. And if the BBC wants me to pay for a TV license so I can legally watch it I just might; the show is that good.
In response to the original question, yes, the implication of the episode is that Jack pulled that laser gun out of his tookus. It's Jack; he can do that and get away with it.
Now the rest of what I'm going to type will contain *SPOILERS*, so you may want to stop reading at this point.
Eccleston won't be coming back, except maybe as a guest spot if they decide to do another "multiple instances of the Doctor" episode, as they've done in the past. (Twice) He might show up in a flashback if and when they ever get around to explaining whatever became of the 8th Doctor, which I think will be necessary at some point. We Doctor Who fans get very niggly over the details.
I do want to say that Eccleston has to be at the moment my favorite Doctor, though I need to go back and watch some Tom Baker stuff to be sure. That's quite appropriate in fact, because the Doctor that Eccleston played was very much like Tom Baker's Doctor. But no, from what I understand Eccleston was well aware of the fact that he'd only be on for one season when he accepted the role, and I think it was a smart move on the part of the writers. Doctor Who, if you couldn't tell, has a very deep and complex mythology about it. (Complexified even more by some missing episodes thanks to the BBC's idiotic archive-clensing policy in the 1970s) Inside this depth and convolution are several very important but sometimes very confusing concepts which must be explained to bring about the proper Doctor Who experience; Regeneration is just such a concept. Had the show not explained the Doctor's Regeneration as it did as early as it did I think it would have lead to much confusion later. The timing of it was perfect in fact: at the end of the first season, while the audience is still excited and curious, but with a large enough break between the concept's introduction and another new plot that people have time to think and digest the idea.
Now as far as casting Christopher Eccleston for such a seemingly short span as the Doctor, I do find it regrettable, but admittedly necessary. While he is the best Doctor so far, it was absolutely vital that new viewers be presented with a character that was instantly likable and if at all possible the best of the best. Sure, it was a short run, a very short run in terms of Doctor Who, (poor Paul McGann is the only Doctor who's had less air time) but Eccleston carried it off so brilliantly, so absolutely charmingly that you couldn't help but get sucked in. Of course now it leaves a very heavy burden on the shoulders of David Tennant, who has to be just as likable as Eccleston's Doctor, but different enough that people don't just call him a scab. I'm trusting that whoever cast him was right in thinking that he could do that. From the all of 10-seconds I've seen it looks as though he might be up to the task; he did keep a little of Eccleston's Doctor -- the smile -- but just enough that we know who it is. The way he reacted before that was new. Still curious and full of energy like most of the Doctors, still ADD like Baker, McCoy and Eccleston, but different all the same. Of course, it's hard to judge accurately by 10 seconds of screentime. I'm hopeful all the same.
Now since we're on a Doctor Who kick, let me talk about this season in general, and what I hope to see in the future. First off: Jack. Kicks. Ass. I have never known myself to get just as invested in a developing character as I am in the Doctor. Jack was charming, egotistical, but at the same time developing a sense of morality and decency, all the while trying to get into both Rose and the Doctor's pants. He was the poster boy for the new New Age of Enlightenment. In the final episode I had very little concern over who died, except for Jack. Yeah, I would have been sad if Rose died, and the Doctor... okay, realistically, we all know he isn't going to die. Permanently anyway. But when Jack died, even though I went, "f%$# yeah, that's how you should go out you badass you," I still felt like I'd taken a punch to the gut. And when he came back... okay, the Deus Ex Machina mechanic they used to do it pissed me off too much to feel anything but irritation, but it was still a good thing. Jack is someone I fervently hope they bring back next season, not necessarily immediately but soon, and not for one episode either.
As far as developing characters go, Margaret the Slitheen has to be my favorite villain this season. It helps that she had an entire episode in which to get to know her, but it speaks a lot about the character -- and the actor -- when you can produce that love-to-hate-'em-yet-kinda-care-about-'em reaction so quickly. In many respects I think Margaret could have been cultivated into a character on the same level as The Master; for the current series she certainly had better motivations than The Master, which always boiled down to, "I feel like killing everyone for reasons even I don't understand." It's theoretically possible that she could come back, and I really hope she does. Unless the writers think up some legitimate motivations for The Master and bring him back, that is.
Now one thing I find very interesting about this series is how they're exploring the connection between the Doctor and Rose. I can't really think of any Doctor Who Companion who's out-and-out caused the Doctor to fall in love with her, but here it is all the same. Sure, it seems a little hokey on the surface; I keep saying, "the Doctor doesn't fall in love with his Companions, he just gets very close in a platonic manner," and yet I'm still eating it all up. Of course, as was pointed out in a few of the Doctor Who Confidential episodes, the Doctor we're watching in this series is one who's been war-damaged. He's lost his entire race, his friends, family, everything. He may be a little more willing to open up and let someone in; he may need to in order to deal with the loss.
Anyway, the BBC has done quite a job of hooking me. All I can think is, "how am I going to survive 6 months before the next new Doctor Who?" Actually, I know the answer to that; borrow my Mom's extensive collection of Doctor Who episodes and watch 'em until the Christmas Special comes out. It's very possible you might not hear from me until December. Unless Fox does something idiotic again and I feel the need to rant about it.
So... yeah... go Doctor Who!
The Doctor in the Fox movie was the 8th Doctor, not the 9th. This new series starts out with the 9th Doctor and no explanation of what happened to the 8th. Presumably we may get an explanation in a flashback or a special or something.
The new Doctor Who is not shown in America, only in England at the moment. It is, however, highly likely given the warm reception it has received that SciFi or some other network (but almost certainly SciFi) will pick it up and air it in the US.
We US fans can download the show, of course. While it's in a legal grey area I find it highly unlikely that it'll ever be determined to be illegal. And if the BBC wants me to pay for a TV license so I can legally watch it I just might; the show is that good.
In response to the original question, yes, the implication of the episode is that Jack pulled that laser gun out of his tookus. It's Jack; he can do that and get away with it.
Now the rest of what I'm going to type will contain *SPOILERS*, so you may want to stop reading at this point.
Eccleston won't be coming back, except maybe as a guest spot if they decide to do another "multiple instances of the Doctor" episode, as they've done in the past. (Twice) He might show up in a flashback if and when they ever get around to explaining whatever became of the 8th Doctor, which I think will be necessary at some point. We Doctor Who fans get very niggly over the details.
I do want to say that Eccleston has to be at the moment my favorite Doctor, though I need to go back and watch some Tom Baker stuff to be sure. That's quite appropriate in fact, because the Doctor that Eccleston played was very much like Tom Baker's Doctor. But no, from what I understand Eccleston was well aware of the fact that he'd only be on for one season when he accepted the role, and I think it was a smart move on the part of the writers. Doctor Who, if you couldn't tell, has a very deep and complex mythology about it. (Complexified even more by some missing episodes thanks to the BBC's idiotic archive-clensing policy in the 1970s) Inside this depth and convolution are several very important but sometimes very confusing concepts which must be explained to bring about the proper Doctor Who experience; Regeneration is just such a concept. Had the show not explained the Doctor's Regeneration as it did as early as it did I think it would have lead to much confusion later. The timing of it was perfect in fact: at the end of the first season, while the audience is still excited and curious, but with a large enough break between the concept's introduction and another new plot that people have time to think and digest the idea.
Now as far as casting Christopher Eccleston for such a seemingly short span as the Doctor, I do find it regrettable, but admittedly necessary. While he is the best Doctor so far, it was absolutely vital that new viewers be presented with a character that was instantly likable and if at all possible the best of the best. Sure, it was a short run, a very short run in terms of Doctor Who, (poor Paul McGann is the only Doctor who's had less air time) but Eccleston carried it off so brilliantly, so absolutely charmingly that you couldn't help but get sucked in. Of course now it leaves a very heavy burden on the shoulders of David Tennant, who has to be just as likable as Eccleston's Doctor, but different enough that people don't just call him a scab. I'm trusting that whoever cast him was right in thinking that he could do that. From the all of 10-seconds I've seen it looks as though he might be up to the task; he did keep a little of Eccleston's Doctor -- the smile -- but just enough that we know who it is. The way he reacted before that was new. Still curious and full of energy like most of the Doctors, still ADD like Baker, McCoy and Eccleston, but different all the same. Of course, it's hard to judge accurately by 10 seconds of screentime. I'm hopeful all the same.
Now since we're on a Doctor Who kick, let me talk about this season in general, and what I hope to see in the future. First off: Jack. Kicks. Ass. I have never known myself to get just as invested in a developing character as I am in the Doctor. Jack was charming, egotistical, but at the same time developing a sense of morality and decency, all the while trying to get into both Rose and the Doctor's pants. He was the poster boy for the new New Age of Enlightenment. In the final episode I had very little concern over who died, except for Jack. Yeah, I would have been sad if Rose died, and the Doctor... okay, realistically, we all know he isn't going to die. Permanently anyway. But when Jack died, even though I went, "f%$# yeah, that's how you should go out you badass you," I still felt like I'd taken a punch to the gut. And when he came back... okay, the Deus Ex Machina mechanic they used to do it pissed me off too much to feel anything but irritation, but it was still a good thing. Jack is someone I fervently hope they bring back next season, not necessarily immediately but soon, and not for one episode either.
As far as developing characters go, Margaret the Slitheen has to be my favorite villain this season. It helps that she had an entire episode in which to get to know her, but it speaks a lot about the character -- and the actor -- when you can produce that love-to-hate-'em-yet-kinda-care-about-'em reaction so quickly. In many respects I think Margaret could have been cultivated into a character on the same level as The Master; for the current series she certainly had better motivations than The Master, which always boiled down to, "I feel like killing everyone for reasons even I don't understand." It's theoretically possible that she could come back, and I really hope she does. Unless the writers think up some legitimate motivations for The Master and bring him back, that is.
Now one thing I find very interesting about this series is how they're exploring the connection between the Doctor and Rose. I can't really think of any Doctor Who Companion who's out-and-out caused the Doctor to fall in love with her, but here it is all the same. Sure, it seems a little hokey on the surface; I keep saying, "the Doctor doesn't fall in love with his Companions, he just gets very close in a platonic manner," and yet I'm still eating it all up. Of course, as was pointed out in a few of the Doctor Who Confidential episodes, the Doctor we're watching in this series is one who's been war-damaged. He's lost his entire race, his friends, family, everything. He may be a little more willing to open up and let someone in; he may need to in order to deal with the loss.
Anyway, the BBC has done quite a job of hooking me. All I can think is, "how am I going to survive 6 months before the next new Doctor Who?" Actually, I know the answer to that; borrow my Mom's extensive collection of Doctor Who episodes and watch 'em until the Christmas Special comes out. It's very possible you might not hear from me until December. Unless Fox does something idiotic again and I feel the need to rant about it.
So... yeah... go Doctor Who!
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