Doctor uses personal firearm to stop active shooter at hospital

[brycejones]

Ever since the 80's it's seemed like the crazies have spilled onto the streets with no where to go. :hmm:

I don't know AT P&N seems to keep at least a few of them occupied......

 

[alcoholbob]

I wonder if the doctor is going to lose his job for violating gun policy.

 

[shortylickens]

Ever since the 80's it's seemed like the crazies have spilled onto the streets with no where to go. :hmm:

In NYC in the late 70's the mayor tried to save money by closing the asylums. He let a crapload of people out and they couldn't hold jobs or keep an apartment so they ended up on the streets.

I think Guiliani reopened the asylums and sure enough, no crazy people on the streets.

 

[Spungo]

So the shooter has a long and violent criminal record, is a known lunatic, but is allowed to wander the streets free?

We had to make room for teens who smoke marijuana. We can't have happy stoners walking around, spreading positive energy. We need violence at all times. It keeps people on their toes.

 

[ivwshane]

Ever since the 80's it's seemed like the crazies have spilled onto the streets with no where to go. :hmm:

Lol! I bet no one gets this.

 

[shortylickens]

http://www.nytimes.com/1981/02/10/science/state-psychiatric-hospitals-forced-to-change-or-close.html


article from 1981.

 

[TheVrolok]

dp from tapatalk

 

[TheVrolok]

Ever since the 80's it's seemed like the crazies have spilled onto the streets with no where to go. :hmm:

Thanks Obama!

 

[WHAMPOM]

Who is the bad gunman?!

THE DOCTOR WAS A BAD GUNMAN TOO! HE had a gun where it said NO GUNZ GO HERE. The gun should have dropped like an invisible shield blocking its path. HE WAS A BADMAN TOO!





*Gets popcorn for liberals trying to argue this one*

No one should argue with the insane, just humour them.


"Hay mods, got a nut case here."

 

[CZroe]

Was the shooter aware that the hospital is a gun free zone? Why would he take a gun there?

Are you aware that he complained about the policy on prior visits? It's written in the article.

 

[CZroe]

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I don't think that arming everyone is right choice. But I do think that we need to accept and prepare for the world we live in. The last hospital I worked at had an active "Docs with Glocks" group. They were physicians (usually ER docs) that trained with the local swat teams and escorted them on high hostage situations as sort of frontline emergency responders. That doesn't mean they packed heat at work (although I'm sure they probably did).

I'd be fine with a group of physicians or other highly vetted clinicians being trained in response to this and being armed while on shift.

Anyone that has spent any meaningful time in a large hospital understands just how hard it is to give directions on where someone is. If you are in a panic situation and you need to call in an emergency responder trying to give them good directions is incredibly complicated.

"Moar guns!!!" isn't the answer. Selective placement and trained use in response to specific events is.

It has never been a gun-rights goal to arm "everyone." Obviously, a group of naturally dispersed enthisiasts are going to be better trained, more safety-conscious, and less of a known target than the average person. You don't arm everyone. Those who ELECT to be armed add a distinct air of uncertainty and risk to nearly any criminal without a death wish. That has been demonstrated time and time again, particularly with mass shooters targeting gun-free zones.

 

[Ichinisan]

Are you aware that he complained about the policy on prior visits? It's written in the article.

Jumpem was being sarcastic.

 

[motsm]

Maybe these incidents would be stopped more often if personal firearms were not prohibited in such places. Maybe.

You can find stories like this all over if you look for them, they just don't spread like the news of mass shootings. Of course there's also likely many situations where a gun dissuades crimes from ever happening without a shot being fired, and of course that would never make news anywhere.

 

[Anarchist420]

I saw some of Dick Plots' history but I still wonder if the psychiatrist set him up through forced "treatment".

And even if a gun was used by a civilian to save innocents who wanted to live, it doesnt mean we are free. Nor does it does it change the fact that we need more Jack Kevorkians and less psychiatrists. Psychiatrists are almost always evil and involuntary hospitalizations have no place in civil society

 

[CZroe]

I saw some of Dick Plots' history but I still wonder if the psychiatrist set him up through forced "treatment".

And even if a gun was used by a civilian to save innocents who wanted to live, it doesnt mean we are free. Nor does it does it change the fact that we need more Jack Kevorkians and less psychiatrists. Psychiatrists are almost always evil and involuntary hospitalizations have no place in civil society

I'm sure you've had more than a few run-ins and speak from experience.

 

[OverVolt]

He's a hero! Hooray! Now lets fire him.

 

[Sattern]

Well it looked like the doctor saved the day in a different way than medical purposes.

Despite his actions I have a feeling he is going to get fired.

Even though I see nothing wrong with what he did people get into a moral debate about this sort of stuff.

 

[Jumpem]

Are you aware that he complained about the policy on prior visits? It's written in the article.

Well if he had complained about it being a gun free zone why did he bring one there? He knew they weren't allowed!?

 

[shortylickens]

Cuz those little signs saying Gun Free Zone dont actually stop people.

 

[blankslate]

The odd thing is that the expansion of background checks in the wake of the Sandy Hook school shootings in Newtown might have prevented the shooter from acquiring a weapon and wouldn't have prevented the Doctor from having a firearm.

Hope he keeps his job and the authorities exercise discretion and don't press any charges on the Doctor.



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[dmcowen674]

What a mess this Country has become that there is even an argument on either side on this.

Very sad

 

[MongGrel]

I'm sure it is against the hospitals policy, but I'd give most doctors working with mental patients these days a free carry permit and issue em a .380 at least and tell em "carry it in your pocket but be quiet about it" myself these days.

Considering the loonies I see freely walking about that don't even go to to mental clinics.