Doctor uses personal firearm to stop active shooter at hospital

Ichinisan

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Apparently, the mentally disturbed patient wasn't supposed to have a firearm.

Apparently, the doctor wasn't supposed to have a firearm.

http://benswann.com/doctor-uses-personal-firearm-to-stop-active-shooter-at-hospital/

On Thursday afternoon, a psychiatric patient with a long rap sheet and history of suicide attempts began shooting at healthcare providers at the Sister Marie Lenahan Wellness Center at Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital in Darby, PA, a suburb just south of Philadelphia. The gunman, who, according to Philly.com, was identified as Richard Plotts, fatally shot 53-year-old caseworker Theresa Hunt and wounded 52-year-old psychiatrist Dr. Lee Silverman. However, Plotts’ shooting rampage was cut short when Dr. Silverman produced his own personal firearm and shot Plotts three times.

The incident began when Plotts opened fire on Theresa Hunt, hitting her twice in the face and leading Silverman to reach for his own weapon. Dr. Silverman suffered a glancing bullet wound to the head but was able to recover and fire back at Plotts before anyone else was killed or wounded. After Silverman shot him three times, the gunman fled to the hallway where another doctor and caseworker tackled and restrained him. Richard Plotts is now in custody and in critical condition at the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania with two wounds to the torso and another to the arm.

Yeadon Police Department chief David Molineaux was quoted by Philly.com as saying that Lee Silverman’s defensive use of his firearm “without a doubt saved lives.” However, Dr. Silverman’s possession of a firearm on the hospital’s campus was technically against the facility’s policies. Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital spokesperson Bernice Ho indicated that hospital rules only allow security guards to carry weapons.

The gunman had complained in prior visits about the hospital’s policy disallowing him from bringing in firearms. An ultrasound technician working in the building was quoted by Philly.com as saying, “There’s a sign on the door that says you have to check your weapons at the front. But you can’t expect every crazy person to do that.”

According to The Delaware County Daily Times, Upper Darby Police Superintendent Michael Chitwood described Plotts’ background as follows, “His criminal record goes back to the early 1990s for three arrests for illegal possession of firearms and arrests for narcotics violations and assaults in Philadelphia. In Upper Darby, he has been 302’d [involuntarily committed to a psychiatric hospital] on at least three occasions. The last one of the three was in January 2013… He’s got a long history of guns and mental illness.” Neighbors described Plotts as large and intimidating and indicated that he often seemed heavily medicated. Philly.com noted that a Delaware County man by the same name was sentenced to six years in prison in 1996 for a bank robbery.

Though his motive is currently unknown, ABC affiliate WPVI-TV is reporting that Plotts had 39 bullets in his possession, meaning he may have intended to shoot more victims. Plotts’ ex-wife told WPVI-TV, “He was always very controlling and very violent. He was physically abusive, mentally abusive, and I just never thought, the many times he was in and out of jail, he had changed from any of that. I’m not surprised.”

Delaware County District Attorney Jack Whelan said “I did receive information that there were incidents involving Mr. Plotts and hospital personnel including the doctor’s staff in the past.” Plotts will be charged with first degree murder if he survives his wounds. Whelan, who indicated that investigators believe that Dr. Silverman shot Plotts in self-defense, also said, “This could be a much different situation if the perpetrator was allowed to continue with his actions, so I give credit for the staff for intervening.”
 

TheSlamma

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Hey finally a case where the bad gunman was stopped, so what is that? a 1/20 ratio?

let the anger begin!
 

BUTCH1

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It would be sad if that doctor (who undoubtedly saved many lives) gets fired for having his gun with him, maybe it's time to ask people to go through a metal detector before being allowed in the facility.
 

mmntech

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So the shooter has a long and violent criminal record, is a known lunatic, but is allowed to wander the streets free?
 

Ichinisan

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Hey finally a case where the bad gunman was stopped, so what is that? a 1/20 ratio?

let the anger begin!

Maybe these incidents would be stopped more often if personal firearms were not prohibited in such places. Maybe.
 

Zodiark1593

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It would be sad if that doctor (who undoubtedly saved many lives) gets fired for having his gun with him, maybe it's time to ask people to go through a metal detector before being allowed in the facility.
Rules are rules, however, one would typically prefer to be judged by twelve than carried by six. Even if he does get fired, he still has his life.
 

BUTCH1

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Maybe these incidents would be stopped more often if personal firearms were not prohibited in such places. Maybe.

They ARE prohibited, but without a metal detector how do you know if people are complying with the rule?, when I go to our local courthouse I have to pass through a metal detector to gain access and there are always 2 deputies at the front door.
 

Jumpem

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Was the shooter aware that the hospital is a gun free zone? Why would he take a gun there?
 

Sonikku

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So the shooter has a long and violent criminal record, is a known lunatic, but is allowed to wander the streets free?

Ever since the 80's it's seemed like the crazies have spilled onto the streets with no where to go. :hmm:
 

Zodiark1593

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Ever since the 80's it's seemed like the crazies have spilled onto the streets with no where to go. :hmm:

Well, we could always go back to the days of the old insane asylums, lock up the crazies, drug em up, and forget about them.
 

Ichinisan

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Hey finally a case where the bad gunman was stopped, so what is that? a 1/20 ratio?

let the anger begin!
Maybe these incidents would be stopped more often if personal firearms were not prohibited in such places. Maybe.
They ARE prohibited, but without a metal detector how do you know if people are complying with the rule?, when I go to our local courthouse I have to pass through a metal detector to gain access and there are always 2 deputies at the front door.

I think you read my post wrong.

Added bold for emphasis.
 

Micrornd

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Shot 3 times and still took 2 people to bring him down.
What's our guess - .380 or 9mm ?
 

Kadarin

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Was the shooter aware that the hospital is a gun free zone? Why would he take a gun there?

The hospital should have put up some signs warning that the place was a gun free zone. Then the shooting could not have taken place because it would have been clear that firearms were not allowed there.
 
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Hey finally a case where the bad gunman was stopped, so what is that? a 1/20 ratio?

let the anger begin!

Who is the bad gunman?!

THE DOCTOR WAS A BAD GUNMAN TOO! HE had a gun where it said NO GUNZ GO HERE. The gun should have dropped like an invisible shield blocking its path. HE WAS A BADMAN TOO!

:D



*Gets popcorn for liberals trying to argue this one*
 

shortylickens

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..or there wasn't a proliferation of Firearms.

there isnt. Most firearms are in the hands of the worlds military forces.

The black market keeps getting criminals what they want, guns. Thats why theres a market for them.

Its the people. It isnt the guns.
 
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there isnt. Most firearms are in the hands of the worlds military forces.

The black market keeps getting criminals what they want, guns. Thats why theres a market for them.

Its the people. It isnt the guns.

No man... you don't understand.

Look here is a better example: Drugs. It's the DRUGS fault that they end up in the hands of people and criminals. Once we criminalize and make all drugs illegal, they will no longer be a problem. Right now we have a huge issue with them being legal with everyone trying to get off addictions. If we just made them illegal, everything would be better and fix itself.

People are never the problem.... man...
 

gorcorps

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The hospital should have put up some signs warning that the place was a gun free zone. Then the shooting could not have taken place because it would have been clear that firearms were not allowed there.
Make them neon too so you can't miss it.
 

vi edit

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This topic hits home for me. I work daily in a hospital. My wife does as well. I've thought for years that hospitals were very prone to these types of attacks. Most hospitals have dozens of entrances that are completely unprotected. They have high concentrations of people and they also have very complicated hallways and stairways that make it very difficult to track or locate you.

We've actually had some basic training on "active shooters". Nutshell of it is to escape if you can, and if you can't you fight. Firstline defenders are the most effective means of taking them out in situations like this. It can be upwards of 15 minutes or more depending on the part of campus that an event takes place and most of these interactions happen in less time than that.

I don't think that arming everyone is right choice. But I do think that we need to accept and prepare for the world we live in. The last hospital I worked at had an active "Docs with Glocks" group. They were physicians (usually ER docs) that trained with the local swat teams and escorted them on high hostage situations as sort of frontline emergency responders. That doesn't mean they packed heat at work (although I'm sure they probably did).

I'd be fine with a group of physicians or other highly vetted clinicians being trained in response to this and being armed while on shift.

Anyone that has spent any meaningful time in a large hospital understands just how hard it is to give directions on where someone is. If you are in a panic situation and you need to call in an emergency responder trying to give them good directions is incredibly complicated.

"Moar guns!!!" isn't the answer. Selective placement and trained use in response to specific events is.
 

Rakehellion

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Apparently, the mentally disturbed patient wasn't supposed to have a firearm.

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