DOCSIS 4.0, FDX, 10Gb, are you ready for the future? Will Cable leap-frog FIOS/fiber providers with DOCSIS 4.0?

What is the maximum internet speed that your home LAN can handle?

  • Less than 1GbE

    Votes: 2 5.9%
  • 1GbE

    Votes: 18 52.9%
  • 2.5GbE

    Votes: 6 17.6%
  • 10GbE

    Votes: 4 11.8%
  • 40GbE or faster

    Votes: 1 2.9%
  • It's all a bunch of tubes to me.

    Votes: 3 8.8%

  • Total voters
    34

VirtualLarry

No Lifer
Aug 25, 2001
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Just doing some reading on this subject over at DSLR forums, and it appears, that soon, hopefully, eventually, Comcast and other cable providers, will be moving up to DOCSIS 4.0, which allows for (with appropriate plant modifications), a 10Gbit down/1Gbit up customer configuration. This is amazing! Especially, since the Cable Co., just has to replace the head-end (and maybe amps/spliiters along the path, if they move the "split"), but is not hampered with upgrading the ONT like FIOS would be, to get above 1Gbit/sec service. (AFAIK, all FIOS ONTs deployed in the last 10 years, are GPon, and only have 1GbE-T ports on them, nothing 2.5GbE or 10GbE.)

Of course, FIOS and other fiber providers aren't standing still, and I've read that they've done "trials" of XGPon / NGPon (?), of up to 40Gbit/sec down.

Bring on the bandwidth!

I think that this is the only way that wired broadband providers will remain relevant, as companies like T-Mobile 5G Home Internet and StarLink bring wireless internet @ 100Mbit/sec to customers world-wide. Fixed wired providers need to show that they are "premium" and worth the money, and try to shove providers like StarLink into the lowest-performance tier provider category, much like ailing DSL is these days. (Is there anyone still on DSL? 3Mbit/sec? For today's video-based WWW, that's barely better than dial-up. Well, at least still potentially usable, if not for Netflix HD.)

They can do this by showing broadband innovation, and moving to higher tiers of service. Other parts of the world (Singapore, Seoul, Hong Kong?) already have 10Gbit/sec home internet service providers, and at reasonable prices too.

If only Google / Alphabet had a real sense of commitment to their customers, like wireline ISPs and "TPC" do, then maybe they would consider a whole-US build-out, and fiber speeds of up to 10Gbit/sec down as well.

(Kudos to Google Fiber for adding a customer tier for 2Gbit/1Gbit down/up, that's still better than FIOS is, and at a much lower cost than Comcast's "Gigabit Pro", which is a consumer Metro-E service.)

I think that one reason that FIOS has been holding back, is the ONT replacement issue, not just with deploying XGpon/NGPon at the COs. That means a truck roll and inside work for nearly EVERY customer, that really adds $$$ to their costs. Of course, moving from 75/75 Moca WAN connection to a 1Gbit/sec FIOS plan using the 1GbE connector on the ONT requires a truck roll and possibly an ONT replacement as well, and generally triggered a "$150 speed upgrade fee" to cover or offset the truck roll costs. I expect to see something similar, moving to faster-than-one-gigabit speeds for FIOS, and of course, us "early adopters" will pay that happily, just for bragging rights.

I know I would love to get 2.5Gbit/sec FIOS symmetrical for $150-200/mo, if only just to try it for a few months. But maybe I'd keep it.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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Well, 99.9% of home NICs are still relegated to 1Gbit, so not a lot of point in it unless you can max out more than one system's bandwidth at a time. At some point soon, but not yet.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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Meh, I'm still 1gbe in the home. The only choke point I could see "needing" 10gbe is my truenas box
 
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rh71

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I don't feel the need to spend more than my $40/mo. for high speed internet. TV cost on top of that is already a burden for what we use it for. So unless they can provide faster than 1gbit for that price, it's moot for me. I'm at 300/300 and for the price I'm perfectly ok. My 2 cents.

Of course any innovation and competition has a trickle down effect. But in this case I feel like they're going to hike everyone and require higher tiers.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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There is no way cable modem can do symmetrical full duplex.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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There is no way cable modem can do symmetrical full duplex.
 

Zeze

Lifer
Mar 4, 2011
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Does this belong in OT?

I'm currently I'm pretty happy with 300 mbits up/down. We're not in the dial-up world where everyone was hurting.

In terms of relative speed, US population was fine as soon as they got broadband.

I recall getting 2mbps up/down.. I was blown away downloading MP3s at 250 kilobytes per second. A 5 megabyte MP3 only took up 20 seconds!!!

Everyone who got cable was a happy camper.

Youtube wasn't even present back then. Aside from mp3s and apps, web surfing wasn't demanding.

The REAL excitement in my opinion is mobile speed now and the future. I can't believe I casually get 300/200 mbps on my Tmobile.
 
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gill77

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Aug 3, 2006
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I've had 25meg fiber for years with no issues. Cord cutter with 2 TV's, Voip phones, Zoom etc and yet to see any reason to upgrade.

4K Netflix or running an IT business might create a different situation.

I understand wanting a car that goes 200 mph even though you never have driven at 100, or am I missing something?
 

pauldun170

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Sep 26, 2011
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I'd rather stay with my reliable, no bullshit Fios at my lowly 80/80 then switch to data capping, throttling, price instability crap storm of certain cable providers.
 

hanspeter

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3.1 can also do gigabit for upload (high-split). Some operators are working on that right now. 4.0 is multi-gigabit for upload.
 

BarkingGhostar

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Nov 20, 2009
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Cable industry bragging about DOCSIS4.0 is like the wireless industry bragging about 5G. Whoop Dee Fricken Doo
 

Muadib

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May 30, 2000
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I love my Fios 1gbe connection. I have Spectrum in my place in NC, and the upload sucks. It's a 10/200 connection, and moving to the 400mbps plan does very little to the upload speed. AT&T ran fiber over a year ago, and I'm still waiting for them to start selling service in my area.
 

Red Squirrel

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May 24, 2003
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My home LAN is gig. I don't have an immediate need for 10gig, though if the equipment got cheap enough I'd eventually upgrade my switches if 10gig became to the point that it was just standard like gig is now. Or at least upgrade the storage back end so that the network between VM server and NAS is 10 gig. NFS is actually my bottleneck right now though, I kind of gave up troubleshooting that. At some point I'm due to upgrade all of my servers to a whole new OS and want to look at Proxmox or other more open VM solution and at that point I hope the problem just goes away.

As for internet I have a 20/15 fibre connection. They offer up to 250m/30m. I think the tech itself can do up to gig but upload maxes at 30. This is an oddball fibre tech though as it's not actually symmetrical. The ONT has no laser, and there's only one fibre strand. The CO equipment sends around 64 wavelengths on one fibre which is then split up to individual service drops with a prism near the homes. For homes to upload there is basically an allocated time slot and it uses a mirror to bounce the laser back. I assume it works kind of like DLP. For some reason my ISP only offers up to 250mb when the tech should be able to do gig.

I find there is diminishing returns though. As long as ISPs continue to have their "no hosting servers" rule and not provide static IP blocks, gig speeds are kind of pointless. I actually downgraded to the lowest package which is 20/15 and I honestly don't notice a difference from a day to day use. Even when torrenting, most of the time you're limited to the seeders' upload not your own download speed and I typically just download stuff, set and forget and by the time I check it's done.

I think reliability is more important than speed. When I was on a 5/1 ADSL connection the speed itself may not have been THAT bad, but it was the reliability. The speed can change on a constant basis and fluctuate based on line conditions. Fibre does not really do that.
 
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kn51

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Lol it will be a decade before Comcast rolls out 4.0. They have been talking about mid split for years.
 

nakedfrog

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Apr 3, 2001
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I've only got 200 meg service right now, seems fine.
Before I moved out to the PNW, I had 75 meg DSL. It cost the same as cable, and was vastly more reliable. When I moved from one house to another, I'd opted for cable, but after more outages in six months than I'd had in my previous six years with DSL, I went back to DSL. That was just the shitty cable ISP there though, the cable out here has been pretty solid.
 

Zeze

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Pretty much this. Anything that requires that amount of bandwidth will be severely capped or restricted.
I’m at 100 up and down and have little desire to go faster. Cheaper would be great.
Im a simple FiOS and TMobile customer and I get worryfree unlimited data and 5g. $40/mo for internet. $60/mo phone
 
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Im a simple FiOS and TMobile customer and I get worryfree unlimited data and 5g. $40/mo for internet. $60/mo phone

So am I, thing to understand unlimited in T-Mobile is unlimited but not un-throttled.
Admittedly you have to end up in the top few percent of users but don’t kid yourself if you stream hours of 4K TV you will be throttled or like youtube the t mobile network will simply prevent that data feed and it will default to 720P.
Sure there are very specific things that get the top speed and those things typically do not need the top speed.
 

repoman0

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Jun 17, 2010
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I went from gigabit FIOS over Ethernet in my last house to 300/300 here over wifi and have barely noticed. I don’t download stuff like crazy like I used to I guess.

I pay $60 for this, now looks like their deals are 200/200 for $40 or 400/400 for $60 and the 300 tier is obsolete. Not sure I really care enough to mess with it but if I could switch to that $40 tier easily I guess I’d do it.
 
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ch33zw1z

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I went from gigabit FIOS over Ethernet in my last house to 300/300 here over wifi and have barely noticed. I don’t download stuff like crazy like I used to I guess.

I pay $60 for this, now looks like their deals are 200/200 for $40 or 400/400 for $60 and the 300 tier is obsolete. Not sure I really care enough to mess with it but if I could switch to that $40 tier easily I guess I’d do it.

😨$80 per month and I get 100/5
 

repoman0

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😨$80 per month and I get 100/5

$80 buys the gigabit tier here 😛 not sure we’d be able to get by with 5 megabit upload with 1-2 zoom video meetings often happening at the same time. Maybe their compression is really good though. Fiber availability felt like a big deal when I moved one town over vs only cable before (though RCN was one of the options and they are an excellent ISP)
 
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