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paulxcook

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: paulxcook
The baby should've just stabbed the dog in the face.

On a more serious note, I have two mastiffs, and stories like this make me nervous about having kids. I of course won't just let the baby be by itself around the dogs, but when they grow older, 4+, and start playing more by themselves, I just hope I don't have to put either of them down if/when one of them snaps it's jaws at one of my kids. I love my dogs, but my kids will absolutely have to come first.

you allready have kids
they just happen to be dogs


amazed you didnt notice this :p

While I don't refer to them as my kids, they're definitely in their teenage out-of-nowhere-rebellion phase, and I've learned more about parenting than I expected to from them.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: destrekor
I've known both a lab-rott mix, and a lab-pitt mix, and both are extremely loving and friendly (to friendly people). Very trustworthy dogs, but as you did right, precautions have to be taken with any dog. And I'm sure your dog has been extremely loyal, since it sounds as if you've had her maybe 8+ years and didn't mention any violent acts. Lab mixes, and purebred labs, are pretty much my favorite dog in the world, and if you mix it with rott, pitt, or doberman, it'll almost always turn out to be one of the most loyal and faithful animals man could be graced by. Highly recommend a lab mix, or a general mutt, as they tend to be by far the easiest animals to train, and will still protect you, specially if they carry more lab in them and get quite a heft built up. They can pack quite a bit of power, and a sleeker lab can be fast as hell.

Yes, she's a pound hound. We rescued her when she was 4 months old from our local animal shelter...I think that was almost 10 years ago. Still playful to this day though.

She's very loyal and gentle but she packs a mean bark when the doorbell rings. ;)
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: destrekor
I've known both a lab-rott mix, and a lab-pitt mix, and both are extremely loving and friendly (to friendly people). Very trustworthy dogs, but as you did right, precautions have to be taken with any dog. And I'm sure your dog has been extremely loyal, since it sounds as if you've had her maybe 8+ years and didn't mention any violent acts. Lab mixes, and purebred labs, are pretty much my favorite dog in the world, and if you mix it with rott, pitt, or doberman, it'll almost always turn out to be one of the most loyal and faithful animals man could be graced by. Highly recommend a lab mix, or a general mutt, as they tend to be by far the easiest animals to train, and will still protect you, specially if they carry more lab in them and get quite a heft built up. They can pack quite a bit of power, and a sleeker lab can be fast as hell.

Yes, she's a pound hound. We rescued her when she was 4 months old from our local animal shelter...I think that was almost 10 years ago. Still playful to this day though.

She's very loyal and gentle but she packs a mean bark when the doorbell rings. ;)

dogs that dont bark when the doorbell rings dont exist
 

RKS

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We have a medium sized dog (75 lbs) that is a few months older than my kids. Right from when we first got him I messed with his food, toys, paws, ears, tail, and anything else that might cause an over-reaction when babies invaded his world.

The dog is almost 5 and has been maulded by my boys and never reacted aggressively.
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: destrekor
I've known both a lab-rott mix, and a lab-pitt mix, and both are extremely loving and friendly (to friendly people). Very trustworthy dogs, but as you did right, precautions have to be taken with any dog. And I'm sure your dog has been extremely loyal, since it sounds as if you've had her maybe 8+ years and didn't mention any violent acts. Lab mixes, and purebred labs, are pretty much my favorite dog in the world, and if you mix it with rott, pitt, or doberman, it'll almost always turn out to be one of the most loyal and faithful animals man could be graced by. Highly recommend a lab mix, or a general mutt, as they tend to be by far the easiest animals to train, and will still protect you, specially if they carry more lab in them and get quite a heft built up. They can pack quite a bit of power, and a sleeker lab can be fast as hell.

Yes, she's a pound hound. We rescued her when she was 4 months old from our local animal shelter...I think that was almost 10 years ago. Still playful to this day though.

She's very loyal and gentle but she packs a mean bark when the doorbell rings. ;)

may she live long :)
our animal shelter mutt lived to be 17, very loyal and playful till the day she died (we put her down though because she was in a lot of pain). Her heart was still kickin and gave her energy, but her bones and kidneys were failing her, so she got slow and mopey. But she still had spurts where her body didn't hurt, and she'd run around the garage and play. Hell, I think she was 15 or 16 when she jumped out of the van window and scraped her chin (it was parked). It was amusing when we realized she didn't really hurt herself.

she was the pure definition of a shelter mutt/pound hound, and was an amazing animal. Acted very vicious toward the mail lady and people at the door or fence, but was very loving.
Our lab puppy mix, is smaller and equally as loving (maybe even more so? I don't remember my last dog at a young age), but has a lot more sass to her. Kind of comical but shows she still has some quite some training left. Her bark though, doesn't match her size. If she wants to sound big, she can easily.
 

child of wonder

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Hence why my family is not getting a dog for at least another year when my two kids will be 5 and 7. The dog will be Beagle size, at best, but most likely a tiny dog.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: RKS
We have a medium sized dog (75 lbs) that is a few months older than my kids. Right from when we first got him I messed with his food, toys, paws, ears, tail, and anything else that might cause an over-reaction when babies invaded his world.

The dog is almost 5 and has been maulded by my boys and never reacted aggressively.

Our family 100lb german shep/husky was stepped on, jumped on, pulled, poked and proded by my toddler nephews. When one of them jumped on her back, and she has bad hips, she reflexively bit his leg. He didn't jump on her back after that ;) Other than that not one episode of aggression. Theres about 60million dogs in households in this country and millions of those have infants and children in them. This type of thing doesn't happen often. It's not bad parenting to let your kids do something that has a 1 in 60million chance of killing them.
 

Alistar7

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
First off, most of the people in this thread know dick about dogs obviously.....

Dogs in general do not view babies like they view adults. They are more likely to view babies as prey until they learn otherwise.

Second, any responsible owner should raise the animal to not be sensitive with ANY part of their body. I own two bulldog mixes. Any child could come up and pull my males dog's penis and he will not bite. Much less his paws. As puppies, I would flip my dogs over and play with their paws and any part of their body to ensure they do not have any sensitivity to such things.

THIRD, no baby should be left with a dog when there is no person that can control the dog. There is no way the baby should have been around the dog where this could happen. End of story.

And lastly, this might not have been vicious at all. When a baby cries, mother dogs will go over and pick the dog up to try and comfort it. And one attack doesn't mean it is more likely to attack. It is just as likely as it was previously.


I did the same with a pair of Lab/Rott mixed puppies. Just for grooming purposes (clipping nails) you should train your dog to be comfortable having their paws handled. I also routinely took food from their dish as they were eating. As a result my SO 4yr old son could do the same, walk right up and stick his face/hands in the dogs bowl as they were eating. That never happened without her or myself being within a foot of the child in case the unexpected happened, but both were properly adjusted and never made an aggressive move. Both dogs would just look at him and make room lol, and no, we never let him eat any of the dog food. He understood that was not something he should ever try with any other dogs.

The dogs themselves turned into complete wussies, nothing more than chow hounds for affection. That was the result of the massive amount of positive physical attention they recieved as puppies. The larger of the two, more predominantly Rott, was confronted by a freaking poodle a family member brought over one day. His immediate response was to flop down on his back, roll his head back, and expose his neck, complete submission on his own turf.
 

Loop2kil

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Originally posted by: adairusmc
Originally posted by: SampSon
Originally posted by: Judgement
Originally posted by: SampSon
Put the dog down.

I guess this is a push for a flame war? :

How can you honestly say it was the dog's fault?? who leaves an infant in complete access of doberman who is adjusting to a new baby and the dog is allowed free access to the area where the baby is???

This is a horrible act, but killing the dog wont change anything and it isn't the dog's fault. I've had dogs all my life and for 75% of them touching their paws is a no-go. A baby could never know that, but a parent/owner should... not to mention the dog shouldn't have access to the baby without a human around.


The dog killed an 8 month old infant. The dog should be put down. The dog doesn't need to be psycho analyzed or studied nor does it need to be reintroduced into a family setting where touching its paw will set it into a fit of murderous rage. Who cares if it's the "dogs fault" or not. It's an animal, don't personify a dogs actions in an attempt to justify its attack.

If it was my dog and it did that, I would have killed it myself. If it was your dog and it did that, I would have killed it myself.

What do you expect? Take the dog back in, feed it a treat, pet it and just go on with life?


:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

ditto, I love my dogs but if either of my dogs did this- they would die by my hands instantly.
h3ll they wouldn't even have to kill anyone...drawing blood of a family member would be reason enough.


 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: destrekor
I've known both a lab-rott mix, and a lab-pitt mix, and both are extremely loving and friendly (to friendly people). Very trustworthy dogs, but as you did right, precautions have to be taken with any dog. And I'm sure your dog has been extremely loyal, since it sounds as if you've had her maybe 8+ years and didn't mention any violent acts. Lab mixes, and purebred labs, are pretty much my favorite dog in the world, and if you mix it with rott, pitt, or doberman, it'll almost always turn out to be one of the most loyal and faithful animals man could be graced by. Highly recommend a lab mix, or a general mutt, as they tend to be by far the easiest animals to train, and will still protect you, specially if they carry more lab in them and get quite a heft built up. They can pack quite a bit of power, and a sleeker lab can be fast as hell.

Yes, she's a pound hound. We rescued her when she was 4 months old from our local animal shelter...I think that was almost 10 years ago. Still playful to this day though.

She's very loyal and gentle but she packs a mean bark when the doorbell rings. ;)

may she live long :)
our animal shelter mutt lived to be 17, very loyal and playful till the day she died (we put her down though because she was in a lot of pain). Her heart was still kickin and gave her energy, but her bones and kidneys were failing her, so she got slow and mopey. But she still had spurts where her body didn't hurt, and she'd run around the garage and play. Hell, I think she was 15 or 16 when she jumped out of the van window and scraped her chin (it was parked). It was amusing when we realized she didn't really hurt herself.

she was the pure definition of a shelter mutt/pound hound, and was an amazing animal. Acted very vicious toward the mail lady and people at the door or fence, but was very loving.
Our lab puppy mix, is smaller and equally as loving (maybe even more so? I don't remember my last dog at a young age), but has a lot more sass to her. Kind of comical but shows she still has some quite some training left. Her bark though, doesn't match her size. If she wants to sound big, she can easily.

Not a great pic but here's my loyal mutt. :)
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Ban Dobermans! :|

ban humans!

the sarcasm is weak with this one. ;)

(I was the only one a year ago defending pit bulls in one of those pit bull threads--but now there are more, TG)
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: destrekor
I've known both a lab-rott mix, and a lab-pitt mix, and both are extremely loving and friendly (to friendly people). Very trustworthy dogs, but as you did right, precautions have to be taken with any dog. And I'm sure your dog has been extremely loyal, since it sounds as if you've had her maybe 8+ years and didn't mention any violent acts. Lab mixes, and purebred labs, are pretty much my favorite dog in the world, and if you mix it with rott, pitt, or doberman, it'll almost always turn out to be one of the most loyal and faithful animals man could be graced by. Highly recommend a lab mix, or a general mutt, as they tend to be by far the easiest animals to train, and will still protect you, specially if they carry more lab in them and get quite a heft built up. They can pack quite a bit of power, and a sleeker lab can be fast as hell.

Yes, she's a pound hound. We rescued her when she was 4 months old from our local animal shelter...I think that was almost 10 years ago. Still playful to this day though.

She's very loyal and gentle but she packs a mean bark when the doorbell rings. ;)

may she live long :)
our animal shelter mutt lived to be 17, very loyal and playful till the day she died (we put her down though because she was in a lot of pain). Her heart was still kickin and gave her energy, but her bones and kidneys were failing her, so she got slow and mopey. But she still had spurts where her body didn't hurt, and she'd run around the garage and play. Hell, I think she was 15 or 16 when she jumped out of the van window and scraped her chin (it was parked). It was amusing when we realized she didn't really hurt herself.

she was the pure definition of a shelter mutt/pound hound, and was an amazing animal. Acted very vicious toward the mail lady and people at the door or fence, but was very loving.
Our lab puppy mix, is smaller and equally as loving (maybe even more so? I don't remember my last dog at a young age), but has a lot more sass to her. Kind of comical but shows she still has some quite some training left. Her bark though, doesn't match her size. If she wants to sound big, she can easily.

Not a great pic but here's my loyal mutt. :)

you think she has some rottweiler in her? think? some? :p
she's most definitely got a few rott characteristics, most notably the head shape has a lot of resemblance to a rott. :)
rottweiler

here's a pic of our puppy. I didn't take any of her recently, this was over the summer when she was only two or three months old (can't remember when I took the pics): pic
kind of a bad pic, but gives a good idea of her. :)
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Ban Dobermans! :|

ban humans!

the sarcasm is weak with this one. ;)

(I was the only one a year ago defending pit bulls in one of those pit bull threads--but now there are more, TG)

my sarcasm meter is permanently whack... please forgive me, as I cannot help it.
:D
 

RapidSnail

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
First off, most of the people in this thread know dick about dogs obviously.....

Dogs in general do not view babies like they view adults. They are more likely to view babies as prey until they learn otherwise.

Second, any responsible owner should raise the animal to not be sensitive with ANY part of their body. I own two bulldog mixes. Any child could come up and pull my males dog's penis and he will not bite. Much less his paws. As puppies, I would flip my dogs over and play with their paws and any part of their body to ensure they do not have any sensitivity to such things.

THIRD, no baby should be left with a dog when there is no person that can control the dog. There is no way the baby should have been around the dog where this could happen. End of story.

And lastly, this might not have been vicious at all. When a baby cries, mother dogs will go over and pick the dog up to try and comfort it. And one attack doesn't mean it is more likely to attack. It is just as likely as it was previously.

Interesting "training regiment" you've got there. :shocked:
 

Captante

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Captante
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Quick, kill all the Dobermans!!! And get all the pit bulls while you're at it.



One thing I have to mention is that unlike Pit-bulls, Dobermans are bred to be aggressive towards people.

Also although theres no arguing with dog-attack statistics, I've known several docile pit-bulls, but every pure-bred Doberman I've been around (and I used to have a friend who was a breeder) was at least skittish/unpredictable.

The bottom line however is that the fault for this tragedy lies with the parents & any dog regardless of size or temperment should be monitered carefully around infants.

That is pure bullshit. Dobes were orginally bred for protection. They are considered one of the most family friendly dogs. Just because you meet some that were not raised/bred right does not mean all.



Personally I've never had a problem with any large dog including all of my friends Dobermans (who won many awards & were AKC-certified pure-bred btw) ... I also own a big male German Sheperd myself & he's very well trained, but there are circumstances where he could be very dangerous to a stranger ... much more dangerous then a less aggressive breed & arguing otherwise is silly.

While I'm sure there are docile Dobermans around, theres no question they are the exception to the rule and this is as intended ... a dog bred over generations mainly for protection of people & property is going to be somwhat more aggressive toward people then other breeds bred for other purposes, just like Pits are more likely to be aggressive towards other dogs & Setters love to chase birds more then most.

 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: destrekor
I've known both a lab-rott mix, and a lab-pitt mix, and both are extremely loving and friendly (to friendly people). Very trustworthy dogs, but as you did right, precautions have to be taken with any dog. And I'm sure your dog has been extremely loyal, since it sounds as if you've had her maybe 8+ years and didn't mention any violent acts. Lab mixes, and purebred labs, are pretty much my favorite dog in the world, and if you mix it with rott, pitt, or doberman, it'll almost always turn out to be one of the most loyal and faithful animals man could be graced by. Highly recommend a lab mix, or a general mutt, as they tend to be by far the easiest animals to train, and will still protect you, specially if they carry more lab in them and get quite a heft built up. They can pack quite a bit of power, and a sleeker lab can be fast as hell.

Yes, she's a pound hound. We rescued her when she was 4 months old from our local animal shelter...I think that was almost 10 years ago. Still playful to this day though.

She's very loyal and gentle but she packs a mean bark when the doorbell rings. ;)

may she live long :)
our animal shelter mutt lived to be 17, very loyal and playful till the day she died (we put her down though because she was in a lot of pain). Her heart was still kickin and gave her energy, but her bones and kidneys were failing her, so she got slow and mopey. But she still had spurts where her body didn't hurt, and she'd run around the garage and play. Hell, I think she was 15 or 16 when she jumped out of the van window and scraped her chin (it was parked). It was amusing when we realized she didn't really hurt herself.

she was the pure definition of a shelter mutt/pound hound, and was an amazing animal. Acted very vicious toward the mail lady and people at the door or fence, but was very loving.
Our lab puppy mix, is smaller and equally as loving (maybe even more so? I don't remember my last dog at a young age), but has a lot more sass to her. Kind of comical but shows she still has some quite some training left. Her bark though, doesn't match her size. If she wants to sound big, she can easily.

Not a great pic but here's my loyal mutt. :)

you think she has some rottweiler in her? think? some? :p
she's most definitely got a few rott characteristics, most notably the head shape has a lot of resemblance to a rott. :)
rottweiler

here's a pic of our puppy. I didn't take any of her recently, this was over the summer when she was only two or three months old (can't remember when I took the pics): pic
kind of a bad pic, but gives a good idea of her. :)

Cute pup. Be prepared for a couple years of puppyhood though. Ours took about 2+ before she calmed down.

Labs love to dig too and if you get a female be prepared for brown spots on your lawn.
 

waggy

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Some great post in this thread and some great advice.


before my kids got to old we used to be a "rescue" home for abused/dieing dogs. last one was a women who was chain breading pugs (some where blind, deaf disabled etc).


one of the dogs we had was a Rotty that a family had that had to move rather suddenly (no idea why. think part of the family was doing drugs and went bad). the rotty was 6-8 yrs old. IT was the nicest dog i have ever seen. the lady said she started handling the the paws, taking food from it at a young age etc. to get it used to it. Also it lived in a house full of kids.

this dog loved having kids climb or sit on it. the more you played with it the more it loved you. it was insane.

EVEN though the dog was great there is no way in hell i would leave it alone with a infant. just none.

we are thinking of getting a dog this summer (daughter would be 6 my son would be 2). i am trying to talk my wife into a rotty or a mastiff =)
 

destrekor

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: destrekor
I've known both a lab-rott mix, and a lab-pitt mix, and both are extremely loving and friendly (to friendly people). Very trustworthy dogs, but as you did right, precautions have to be taken with any dog. And I'm sure your dog has been extremely loyal, since it sounds as if you've had her maybe 8+ years and didn't mention any violent acts. Lab mixes, and purebred labs, are pretty much my favorite dog in the world, and if you mix it with rott, pitt, or doberman, it'll almost always turn out to be one of the most loyal and faithful animals man could be graced by. Highly recommend a lab mix, or a general mutt, as they tend to be by far the easiest animals to train, and will still protect you, specially if they carry more lab in them and get quite a heft built up. They can pack quite a bit of power, and a sleeker lab can be fast as hell.

Yes, she's a pound hound. We rescued her when she was 4 months old from our local animal shelter...I think that was almost 10 years ago. Still playful to this day though.

She's very loyal and gentle but she packs a mean bark when the doorbell rings. ;)

may she live long :)
our animal shelter mutt lived to be 17, very loyal and playful till the day she died (we put her down though because she was in a lot of pain). Her heart was still kickin and gave her energy, but her bones and kidneys were failing her, so she got slow and mopey. But she still had spurts where her body didn't hurt, and she'd run around the garage and play. Hell, I think she was 15 or 16 when she jumped out of the van window and scraped her chin (it was parked). It was amusing when we realized she didn't really hurt herself.

she was the pure definition of a shelter mutt/pound hound, and was an amazing animal. Acted very vicious toward the mail lady and people at the door or fence, but was very loving.
Our lab puppy mix, is smaller and equally as loving (maybe even more so? I don't remember my last dog at a young age), but has a lot more sass to her. Kind of comical but shows she still has some quite some training left. Her bark though, doesn't match her size. If she wants to sound big, she can easily.

Not a great pic but here's my loyal mutt. :)

you think she has some rottweiler in her? think? some? :p
she's most definitely got a few rott characteristics, most notably the head shape has a lot of resemblance to a rott. :)
rottweiler

here's a pic of our puppy. I didn't take any of her recently, this was over the summer when she was only two or three months old (can't remember when I took the pics): pic
kind of a bad pic, but gives a good idea of her. :)

Cute pup. Be prepared for a couple years of puppyhood though. Ours took about 2+ before she calmed down.

Labs love to dig too and if you get a female be prepared for brown spots on your lawn.

indeed. she's over 7 months old now, very much acting like a puppy, although a much more behaved and obedient puppy. Been very good about most things and listens to commands that she doesn't like more readily, like 'off', 'no', etc etc. My sister said her lab, who is now 2, took the better part of those 2 years to really begin to calm down a bit and begin to be very well behaved. I expect that with our dog (hard to claim as 'our' dog, as I'm away from the house to go to school for roughly 3/4 of the year, but I helped raise it over the summer and have further helped when home), she will likely take that much time too.

oh and yep, she digs. and digs. and is very much paw-oriented, if she puts her paw on your hand, you'll feel her pull it toward her, typically to chew on. lol
her use of her paws carries a lot of comical antics. she's great comic relief in the house, that's for sure, but definitely causes enough trouble to balance that out. at least for now.