Do your support your local business?

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shortylickens

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Used to. But as more local businesses become dependent on illegals I find myself unhappy with my community more.
Maybe supporting Chinese slave mail order isnt any better, but I'll be damned if I support my fellow Americans who butt-sex me.
 

shortylickens

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Oh, regarding the OP's issue of books: My college charges 200 dollars for a fucking pamphlet that will be replaced by the time I finish the god damn semester. If thats what they need to stay in business then America is doomed. Fuck college, I buy used on Amazon then sell it back to the college for more than I paid. Fuckers.
 

IronWing

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It's a mixed bag. I shop at the locally owned grocercy chain (well, owned in state anyway) if I'm in that part of town that has them. That chain closed their locations closest to me so I end up at the Kroger owned store more often than not.

I shop at the local hardware store even though it is more expensive and the selection isn't great because having a hardware store within walking distance when the next closest is a thirty mile round trip is worth supporting.

For tools, I buy from the locally owned tool store as the tools they carry are better and the service is excellent.

Almost all the restaurants I frequent are locally owned.

The "local" camera store is 40 miles from me and the service and prices suck so I buy camera stuff mostly from Amazon and B&H. For computer stuff, I now shop locally. I only recently discovered that there was still a local computer store running; I had thought them extinct. The prices are slighly higher but the sevice is good and the employees know what they are talking about.

Overall, I prefer to shop locally owned businesses as it keeps more money circulating locally.
 
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crashtestdummy

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If they offer something the other guys don't, like better service or something. If I can get something cheaper with proper service elsewhere though, why would I pay more for the same thing? Just because they aren't a chain doesn't mean they deserve handouts. They need to work for their money like everybody else and give me a reason to choose them.

This. The quality of the shopping experience is a factor that goes into my decision-making. I try to avoid Walmart and shopping malls for example, not because of ethical issues, but because it is unpleasant to walk around in there. I don't have a problem with chain stores simply because they are a chain, however. I prefer my nearby EMS (student discount and better selection) over the other local outdoor stores, for example.

If one place offers a higher quality product, though, I'll happily shop there. I get most of my groceries at a local chain shop, but there's a local mom and pop shop that makes the best sausage I've ever tasted, and I go there for all my smoked meats. I don't care that it's 50% more, because they're heaven packed in pig intestine.
 

lokiju

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I shop where it's convenient and the price is right.

I don't get how shopping at the chain store is bad for the local economy?

Don't my neighbors work at them and own them? Doesn't shopping there offer a greater potential for support more in my community than a local non-chain that employs few, offers low pay and crappy benefits?

I'm all for supporting the local non-chain if it's not at a disadvantage to me financially or in convince, otherwise it's a silly principal to go by that only hurts you and possibly others.
 

Murloc

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in my country even the small stores are part of chains.
For groceries, there's no local business to support unless they're specialties etc.
 

FoBoT

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it depends
i usually get auto/truck tires from a local guy as his price is about the same as costco and it is easier than driving into the city to costco and then having to wait around

i pass walmart/target/grocery stores on my way to/from work, so for most stuff i just stop there

i have started using amazon more lately now that i have PRIME for movies
 

Paladin3

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We live in a small town and many of businesses are locally owned. Last year my wife opened a retail store and met most of the other local business owners. She was shocked at how many are poor business people using the "support your local business" manta to guilt people into patronizing them. They act like the town owes them their business regardless of how high their prices or crappy their service.

We support our good local businesses, but I can't see paying more for a product just to support someone who doesn't know how to run a competitive shop.
 

zinfamous

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We have little choice here in Berkeley. it's hard for chain stores to grab any sort of presence--though I certainly do go to Safeway/Lucky/Trader Joes/Costco etc.

But the local super awesome amazing supermarket which is more or less "mom and pop" --Berkeley Bowl--not only outclasses any other market I've ever been to in terms of quality and selection, it can also be quite affordable and competitive.
 

PingSpike

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We live in a small town and many of businesses are locally owned. Last year my wife opened a retail store and met most of the other local business owners. She was shocked at how many are poor business people using the "support your local business" manta to guilt people into patronizing them. They act like the town owes them their business regardless of how high their prices or crappy their service.

We support our good local businesses, but I can't see paying more for a product just to support someone who doesn't know how to run a competitive shop.

Yes, my experience is the local businesses screaming the loudest about "buying local" are generally run by complete incompetents. There are actually several local businesses I frequent that flat out out compete big box stores but there are quite a few poorly run (and shockingly overpriced) hobby farms and trophy wife businesses around screeching up a storm. Often they just aren't selling products that anyone actually needs or wants and failed to take into account demand for the product they wanted to supply when they decided to supply it.
 

Baptismbyfire

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Oh, and relevant to this thread.

Some interesting points about the myth of small business.

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/financial/2011/10/31/111031ta_talk_surowiecki

Very interesting article, especially how small businesses do not seem to contribute much towards nation's long-term growth, an increase in productivity, or more efficienct use of resources.

A commonly heard pro-small business argument is that it keeps the wealth more distributed. I imagine many of these small stores are run by the middle-class, and so if everyone went to Walmart, it would be a blow to the middle class, and more money for investors. This would mean that there is less money circulating throughout the market.

However, I'm not arguing that we need to spend our money at these small stores just for the sake of keeping the wealth well-distributed, especially if these stores provide mediocre services at expensive prices. And to be honest, I never really gave much thought to the idea that small business owners may be just as a slave-driver as a CEO may be.

I guess a better argument for small businesses is that, as another poster has mentioned, it keeps more of the money within the local community. But knowing how dangerous it is to rely on what you "hear from someone", I searched, and found this article.

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1903632,00.html

Some cliffs:

It talks about how "ghost towns" are popping up throughout the country (I think this article is more about Europe), and what are the benefits of supporting local businesses.

1. Twice the money stayed within the community, when produce was bought at a local farmer's market or community supported agricultural program (CSA) rather than at a supermarket. This was in London.

2. "Buy Local" campaigns increases awareness about the local need for a product that can't be bought locally. So an innovative local may start a new business, and add "creative elements" to make the product more appealing to the people in the community.

3. Local businesses may charge more, but this increase in cost is offset by increase in employment, better products (no Chinese-made crap), and other seemingly non-economic factors, such as the bond you form with the people in your community and less damage to the environment.

4. Increase dependence on foreign products means that nations are losing their resilience and flexibility to changing market conditions. This means that we are less able to cope if there ever comes a future where we have to rely more on our manufacturing basis.

5. Buying from local stores increases the speed at which money circulates throughout the market. Since local stores do not make as much profit, and have more input costs, the money they spend on advertising, supplies, and labor costs tend to go back into the community.

6. Plus, it talks about how circulation of money has slowed down with the recent trend of more and more money going into the financial sector. And it talks about how a community in Germany uses a local currency, which is accepted by local businesses, and has the same value as the Euro, while having a much higher circulation rate. One of the reasons being, there seems to be a demurrage fee of 3% if you hold onto the bills for 3 months without spending it.
 

tm37

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I spend quite a bit at the local Hardware store.

However we also shop alot at walmart (largest employer in the town)
 

Engineer

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Not so much at home but I do try to buy locally at work. If I can get something for close to the same price (sometimes it's cheaper) at a local business vs the bigger national chains (Grainger, McMaster, Allied Electronics, etc), I will. I push the local guys down as low as they will go so that I can give them business (otherwise, my boss says go with the big boys if the price difference is too much).