Do you want Skynet Lana? Because this is how you get Skynet. Combat Drone to v. Human Pilot 2021

[DAPUNISHER]

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-en...4&at_custom1=[post+type]&at_custom3=@BBCWorld

Bot sourcing is coming for your job, and maybe your life.

Good times man, good times.

 

[Charmonium]

That's interesting. AI's really aren't that bright at this point. You may have read how driving AI's can be deceived into misidentifying objects. And not whether something is a dog or a cat. More like whether it's tree or a shot gun.

On the surface, I would guess that flight AI's would be less demanding that the driving kind. There's open sky, targets and friendlies. Seems pretty straight forward, but probably not.

The swarm idea should also be pursued though. You could organize it like a wolf pack. The ground based operator would be the alpha that all the betas would take their cue from. That requires a lot less intelligence than full autonomy.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

That's interesting. AI's really aren't that bright at this point. You may have read how driving AI's can be deceived into misidentifying objects. And not whether something is a dog or a cat. More like whether it's tree or a shot gun.

On the surface, I would guess that flight AI's would be less demanding that the driving kind. There's open sky, targets and friendlies. Seems pretty straight forward, but probably not.

The swarm idea should also be pursued though. You could organize it like a wolf pack. The ground based operator would be the alpha that all the betas would take their cue from. That requires a lot less intelligence than full autonomy.

I am talking out of my ass here, but I surmise that what is going on with A.I. under DARPA, skunk works, etc. is not analogous to what we are seeing as the public.

 

[Igo69]

Not really surprising, that is the future. Aren't people already testing that for cars?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Not really surprising, that is the future. Aren't people already testing that for cars?

Surprising? Not at all. I personally get excited over sci-fi becoming reality. But the implications for expanding the bot sourcing of human jobs, from the unskilled to the highly skilled, is also thought provoking.

 

[gorobei]

to some degree human pilot dogfighting ended a while ago.

IR missiles like the sidewinder can now pull way more g-load than any human pilot. radar missiles have so much range the type of maneuvers to counter them stops being about what the pilot cant do and what the fly by wire system can do.

active radar and hybird seekers make modern aerial engagement more like a submarine war. the advantage going to the one who finds the other first and gets a track solution that lets them waypoint a missile to their blindspot just before the seeker goes active.

in the thread asking if the f-35 is necessary, everyone assumes a status quo of missiles and cannons with gen4 maneuverability always being viable and necessary. but with the upcoming air portable laser defense systems seemingly yielding an actual product in 5 to 10 years, air to air missiles could be rendered ineffective.(you could probably overwhelm the laser with numbers by launching in clusters. but instead of the now standard 2 or 3 aam dump per target, you might need to fire 10 or 12 to bring down one. assumming you could get close enough. no air force can wage an air defense depleting their missle stores at that rate).

eventually air superiority will come in the form of a largish stealthy cruiser plane the size of a B-1 equipped with a laser and ferrying a bunch of uavs with a sub-muntition load of missiles and bombs.
the onboard laser forces anyone using gen4.5 planes and weapons to commit to a full interception engagement since the cruiser can still deploy the uavs to bomb/agm range while itself never enters sam range. if any foe doesnt have the ability to deal with the uav with jamming or detection info relayed to sam batteries, then they lose control of their skies.

the only thing preventing this sort of paradigm shift is communications and jamming of the instructions to the uav. assuming the ai gets good enough at recognizing friendlies by optical/ir then radio waves are irrelevant.

 

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to some degree human pilot dogfighting ended a while ago.

IR missiles like the sidewinder can now pull way more g-load than any human pilot. radar missiles have so much range the type of maneuvers to counter them stops being about what the pilot cant do and what the fly by wire system can do.

active radar and hybird seekers make modern aerial engagement more like a submarine war. the advantage going to the one who finds the other first and gets a track solution that lets them waypoint a missile to their blindspot just before the seeker goes active.

in the thread asking if the f-35 is necessary, everyone assumes a status quo of missiles and cannons with gen4 maneuverability always being viable and necessary. but with the upcoming air portable laser defense systems seemingly yielding an actual product in 5 to 10 years, air to air missiles could be rendered ineffective.(you could probably overwhelm the laser with numbers by launching in clusters. but instead of the now standard 2 or 3 aam dump per target, you might need to fire 10 or 12 to bring down one. assumming you could get close enough. no air force can wage an air defense depleting their missle stores at that rate).

eventually air superiority will come in the form of a largish stealthy cruiser plane the size of a B-1 equipped with a laser and ferrying a bunch of uavs with a sub-muntition load of missiles and bombs.
the onboard laser forces anyone using gen4.5 planes and weapons to commit to a full interception engagement since the cruiser can still deploy the uavs to bomb/agm range while itself never enters sam range. if any foe doesnt have the ability to deal with the uav with jamming or detection info relayed to sam batteries, then they lose control of their skies.

the only thing preventing this sort of paradigm shift is communications and jamming of the instructions to the uav. assuming the ai gets good enough at recognizing friendlies by optical/ir then radio waves are irrelevant.

Soooo, the world is going to be like Ace Combat with boss battles and all? Cool.

 

[gorobei]

Soooo, the world is going to be like Ace Combat with boss battles and all? Cool.

only if AC is being played on an arcade cabinet and each credit is 1million dollars. 4 x (amraam@200k-300k unit cost). it'll be a real quarter eater. meteor missiles apparently go for 2mil a piece, so use them sparingly. i cant imagine how much the japanese aesa aam will cost.
also the there will be tons of mob waves of b21 with more sub munition loads and f-35 zerg squads going directly for you.