Do you trust using a PC/Laptop fingerprint-reader ?

[The Linuxator]

For some reason when Microsoft started releasing those fingerprint readers that you can use to login Windows/hotmail ....etc I just didn't have a good feeling about it, at all. what about you?

Edit : I am trying to start a poll , but I never started one before can some body PM me on how to make one.

 

[nweaver]

They work OK, but I havn't found one that is CCX Compliant for Single Sign on. In fact, if a laptop ships with it on, it will never get a ccx certification.

 

[The Linuxator]

What I mean by trusting in then , maybe if you look at it from a privacy view point, by which such info is unique and can identify you personally, and whomever is able to obtain ssuch info ex: Microsoft or any other company can start building a profile about you it could be leaked God knows what.
It could be used by whomever wants to track you down , is it clear know what I mean by that , certain ppl can know where you are exactly and who you are..... doesn't that raise any fears in anybody, I know that I will never use them ever.

 

[loup garou]

Kid, you're a fvckin barrel of monkeys.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: The Linuxator
What I mean by trusting in then , maybe if you look at it from a privacy view point, by which such info is unique and can identify you personally, and whomever is able to obtain ssuch info ex: Microsoft or any other company can start building a profile about you it could be leaked God knows what.
It could be used by whomever wants to track you down , is it clear know what I mean by that , certain ppl can know where you are exactly and who you are..... doesn't that raise any fears in anybody, I know that I will never use them ever.

:roll: The fingerprint data never leaves the box, in fact, a ful fingerprint image isn't even kept. They provide good enough authentication in some environments which allow them. They are handy, but (as with all your posts so far) you've found an issue only cause it's from MS.

 

[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: bsobel

Originally posted by: The Linuxator
What I mean by trusting in then , maybe if you look at it from a privacy view point, by which such info is unique and can identify you personally, and whomever is able to obtain ssuch info ex: Microsoft or any other company can start building a profile about you it could be leaked God knows what.
It could be used by whomever wants to track you down , is it clear know what I mean by that , certain ppl can know where you are exactly and who you are..... doesn't that raise any fears in anybody, I know that I will never use them ever.

:roll: The fingerprint data never leaves the box, in fact, a ful fingerprint image isn't even kept. They provide good enough authentication in some environments which allow them. They are handy, but (as with all your posts so far) you've found an issue only cause it's from MS.

OK how do you know this, and if a fingerprint image is never left in the box, then how do you expect the box to authenticate it? Second thing, it was proven that microsoft takes info about your system ,
example : when you play a DVD in windows media player info concerning the name of the dvd, time you started watching it, your location is transmitted to microsoft .
Now do some detective work around the net, and you will find that I am right. So what makes fingerprints an exception? I am not saying I have anyproof concerning the fingerprint readers, but I am just asking.

 

[bsobel]

OK how do you know this

Because I understand the technology. Specifically in this case I considered buying DigitalPersona about 2 years ago. Passed and MS wound up buying them.

and if a fingerprint image is never left in the box, then how do you expect the box to authenticate it?

The fingerprint is reduced to a small set of data that is compared, not an image to image comparison. Think of it as comparing your actual password to a hash of the password. Even if someone steals the hash, they don't know your actual password. The fingerprint data is treated the same way.

Second thing, it was proven that microsoft takes info about your system ,
example : when you play a DVD in windows media player info concerning the name of the dvd, time you started watching it, your location is transmitted to microsoft

Wrong. You can opt in when you install media player in order to receive disk information (much like CDDB) automatically. If you said yes to the question, don't complain that the software is working correctly.

Now do some detective work around the net, and you will find that I am right. So what makes fingerprints an exception? I am not saying I have anyproof concerning the fingerprint readers, but I am just asking.

Asked and answered.

Bill

 

[nweaver]

Nice reply Bill!

 

[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: bsobel

OK how do you know this

Because I understand the technology. Specifically in this case I considered buying DigitalPersona about 2 years ago. Passed and MS wound up buying them.

and if a fingerprint image is never left in the box, then how do you expect the box to authenticate it?

The fingerprint is reduced to a small set of data that is compared, not an image to image comparison. Think of it as comparing your actual password to a hash of the password. Even if someone steals the hash, they don't know your actual password. The fingerprint data is treated the same way.

Second thing, it was proven that microsoft takes info about your system ,
example : when you play a DVD in windows media player info concerning the name of the dvd, time you started watching it, your location is transmitted to microsoft

Wrong. You can opt in when you install media player in order to receive disk information (much like CDDB) automatically. If you said yes to the question, don't complain that the software is working correctly.

Now do some detective work around the net, and you will find that I am right. So what makes fingerprints an exception? I am not saying I have anyproof concerning the fingerprint readers, but I am just asking.

Asked and answered.

Bill

OK thanx for the answer that's all I wanted to find out .

 

[fightcancer]

Originally posted by: The Linuxator
For some reason when Microsoft started releasing those fingerprint readers that you can use to login Windows/hotmail ....etc I just didn't have a good feeling about it, at all. what about you?

Edit : I am trying to start a poll , but I never started one before can some body PM me on how to make one.

I see your concern and I agree. I guess the next question is: who do you trust? If you don't want anyone to have your personal info, then it doesn't really identify you as you and it's entirely meaningless.

To me, it's comforting to know that MS doesn't save or transmit your personal info.

 

[ValuedCustomer]

Originally posted by: fightcancer

Originally posted by: The Linuxator


To me, it's comforting to know that MS doesn't save or transmit your personal info.

Not as far as you know, anyway.

 

[fightcancer]

now that's discomforting.

 

[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: fightcancer
now that's discomforting.

Well to keep you more informed about MS , whye hell do they need to save my MSN chats and have the right to have it at their own disposal ( which is the reason I don't use MSN anymore nor anyother AIM program), and use those saved chats of yours for pretty much anything that comes to mind.
BILL GATES said once in an interview I read online that MS reports info about Microsoft Money software, that microsoft sniffs of users PC's to the IRS for a nominal fee (ya right) ppl don't seem to understand that.
MS ( and this is only based on my personal research) seems to understand that thee most valuable comodity in the digtall market isn't anyhting other than personal info, the ability to track down somebody to find out who is using their software and blah blah blah.
Did anybody forget about the DSO exploit in windows ?

 

[bsobel]

More misinformation and lies from our little Linux friend. Wrong about your fingerprint tirade so trying again?

Well to keep you more informed about MS , whye hell do they need to save my MSN chats and have the right to have it at their own disposal ( which is the reason I don't use MSN anymore nor anyother AIM program), and use those saved chats of yours for pretty much anything that comes to mind.

All the major IM programs go thru central servers, I don't see what this has to do with MS. At least you point out that AIM does the same (as does Yahoo), as does your phone comapny with your SMS messages. What is excatly your anti-ms point here?

BILL GATES said once in an interview I read online that MS reports info about Microsoft Money software, that microsoft sniffs of users PC's to the IRS for a nominal fee (ya right) ppl don't seem to understand that.

Ok, Im just gonna come out and call you a liar for that one. Please prove me wrong and post a link to the story.

Did anybody forget about the DSO exploit in windows ?

And what, exactly, does this have to do with anything else your posting?

Bill

 

[Valkerie]

Originally posted by: bsobel
More misinformation and lies from our little Linux friend. Wrong about your fingerprint tirade so trying again?

Well to keep you more informed about MS , whye hell do they need to save my MSN chats and have the right to have it at their own disposal ( which is the reason I don't use MSN anymore nor anyother AIM program), and use those saved chats of yours for pretty much anything that comes to mind.

All the major IM programs go thru central servers, I don't see what this has to do with MS. At least you point out that AIM does the same (as does Yahoo), as does your phone comapny with your SMS messages. What is excatly your anti-ms point here?

BILL GATES said once in an interview I read online that MS reports info about Microsoft Money software, that microsoft sniffs of users PC's to the IRS for a nominal fee (ya right) ppl don't seem to understand that.

Ok, Im just gonna come out and call you a liar for that one. Please prove me wrong and post a link to the story.

Did anybody forget about the DSO exploit in windows ?

And what, exactly, does this have to do with anything else your posting?

Bill

Protect your fingers. When it gets cut off by a terrorist who needs your prints to get hold of something, you'll know why not to use finger print protection. Use your memory and remember passwords or write them down.
The computer temples in the pentagon are actually Area 51's main servers.
The house on Haunted Hill turned PG.
Mario Party is terribly boring, why does it exist.
Does anyone watch the Simpsons anymore?

Anyway, finger print ID technology from what this post has explained is just the surface. The roots lie within the companies that actually make the technology, thank you. You guys sound like kids, no wonder JEDEC fights so much about memory standards, because they have people working within the company who act like you kids.

http://www.infinisource.com/features/biometrics2.html
http://www.biometritech.com/features/roundup032602.htm
http://www.sensorsmag.com/articles/0103/14/
http://www.cardinalcommerce.com/article...rprint%20Security%20Gets%20Handier.htm
http://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/1997/04/07/daily4.html
http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,39726,00.html
http://nwc.mobilepipeline.com/49400339
http://www.biometricsinfo.org/fingerprintrecognition.htm
http://www.fujitsu.com/caribbean/news/inthenews/fingerprint.html

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[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: bsobel
More misinformation and lies from our little Linux friend. Wrong about your fingerprint tirade so trying again?

Well to keep you more informed about MS , whye hell do they need to save my MSN chats and have the right to have it at their own disposal ( which is the reason I don't use MSN anymore nor anyother AIM program), and use those saved chats of yours for pretty much anything that comes to mind.

All the major IM programs go thru central servers, I don't see what this has to do with MS. At least you point out that AIM does the same (as does Yahoo), as does your phone comapny with your SMS messages. What is excatly your anti-ms point here?

BILL GATES said once in an interview I read online that MS reports info about Microsoft Money software, that microsoft sniffs of users PC's to the IRS for a nominal fee (ya right) ppl don't seem to understand that.

Ok, Im just gonna come out and call you a liar for that one. Please prove me wrong and post a link to the story.

Did anybody forget about the DSO exploit in windows ?

And what, exactly, does this have to do with anything else your posting?

Bill

:laugh: here

 

[bsobel]

:laugh: here

Are you really so dumb as to think that is a real interview? It's a satire peice.

I rarely say this, but by god it's nice to be able to see it used in it's correct context:

Owned.

 

[ModemMix]

yeah... that looks compleatly real, no fabrication or manipulation contained in any of those Q/A's........ I think we should all consider that gosple and switch to all non M$ products tomorrow.

TROLL

 

[Varun]

lol he thinks that is a real interview... wow

Hey you know everything on the internet is legit right? OK good.

As far as having a record of all your MSN chats, as if.

It would be impossible to keep track of all of the MSN chats and store them.

Bob:

Hey

Jim:

Hey Bob

Bob:

sup?

I'm sure there are Terabytes of that sitting at Microsoft just waiting for people to read and make sure they aren't pirating.

 

[The Linuxator]

How dumb you guys can be, do you really think that ..... nevermind.
I should have known you guys lack a sense of humor...sigh.

 

[The Linuxator]

But it would have been nice if it was real though. between us I don't think reality would be too far from that IMHO .

 

[Varun]

Originally posted by: The Linuxator
How dumb you guys can be, do you really think that ..... nevermind.
I should have known you guys lack a sense of humor...sigh.

You are quoting the article in a previous post as one of your arguments, how can we not think you believe it?