Do you think we need the IRS?

[Ketchup]

I mean, with all the crap they are up to, they get way more funds than they need, the tax rates tell us it's ok to not succeed at your job (they will just take more money from you as you work your way up), and want to make us think that, in the name of security, no one is entitled to privacy.

So why are we still comfortable having these people around? Or are we just not comfortable electing people that would do something about it?

 

[xaeniac]

I will say there are much simpler ways to implement taxes. The IRS of what we know could be abolished in my opinion. Does that mean we would still have a tax office. Someone has to manage the taxes and ensure things are going correctly, but the work force could be slashed. ObamaCare is going to bring a whole another mess to the name of the IRS. Individuals that try to shake up the system truly either don't get a shot at making it to where they will make lasting impacts, or don't usually make it to long at the top (i.e. JFK). I am with the OP wake up and take a different stand because the situation that we are in is hogwash and crapola.

 

[Doppel]

yes

 

[boomerang]

Dreams, nothing but dreams. The IRS is here to stay and will grow larger and more powerful. It's an enforcement arm of the government.

Making government smaller is not something that benefits politicians and they make the rules.

 

[Incorruptible]

The IRS should be abolished. It's a massive waste of tax dollars especially when they are being paid to go after the Tea Party.

 

[Smoblikat]

The IRS should be abolished. It's a massive waste of tax dollars especially when they are being paid to go after the Tea Party.

To be fair, the extent of their corruption doesnt stop at the republicans, they also target democrat groups too. They dont discriminate............as long as SOMEONE is getting fucked they dont care what party they belong to.

 

[Jhhnn]

The IRS should be abolished. It's a massive waste of tax dollars especially when they are being paid to go after the Tea Party.

Heh. Sooo Dim. If the IRS wastes .001% of all taxes they collect, it's still the only way that the govt will end up with more than bumpkus for tax revenue.

Which is exactly why well-heeled tax cheats & chiselers funding the the Tea Twits want to cut IRS funding. Paying the lowest tax rates in 30 years isn't good enough- they want to pay no taxes at all. Taxes are for little people, right?

 

[waggy]

Dreams, nothing but dreams. The IRS is here to stay and will grow larger and more powerful. It's an enforcement arm of the government.

Making government smaller is not something that benefits politicians and they make the rules.

/this

we do need the IRS. i do think it has grown far to big and strong. With Obamacare its even worse.

 

[Exterous]

I mean, with all the crap they are up to, they get way more funds than they need, the tax rates tell us it's ok to not succeed at your job (they will just take more money from you as you work your way up), and want to make us think that, in the name of security, no one is entitled to privacy.

So why are we still comfortable having these people around? Or are we just not comfortable electing people that would do something about it?

The tax rates or tax law complexity are not the IRS fault. It won't be abolished because the tax code is a way for our politicians to reward certain voting/funding blocks.

Now, as a purely hypothetical, I would not want the IRS abolished. Instead I want a more straightforward tax law with less loopholes, deductions and credits. I don't think it will happen though as a giant industry has grown up around and depends on the tax law being complex and its too easy for politicians to make a small change to and claim "We are doing something!"

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Given the complexity of our tax system - Yes, we do need the IRS.

But then the question becomes: Do we need such a complex tax system? And that answer is no.

 

[Ketchup]

The tax rates or tax law complexity are not the IRS fault. It won't be abolished because the tax code is a way for our politicians to reward certain voting/funding blocks.

Now, as a purely hypothetical, I would not want the IRS abolished. Instead I want a more straightforward tax law with less loopholes, deductions and credits. I don't think it will happen though as a giant industry has grown up around and depends on the tax law being complex and its too easy for politicians to make a small change to and claim "We are doing something!"

I agree with the first part of this, but in my mind the IRS is an all or nothing deal. If you leave it, politicians are just going to keep pushing and pushing the envelope for how much they can get out of it, and how good it can make them look when they "save us money."

I think it should be replaced, as xaeniac mentioned, with a better, more efficient system. At least then we could get another 150 years to get to the (crappy) state of the system we have now.

 

[Ketchup]

Given the complexity of our tax system - Yes, we do need the IRS.

But then the question becomes: Do we need such a complex tax system? And that answer is no.

I agree, but I question the way we are looking at this. Who created the complexity of the tax system in the first place?

I am not completely sure about this, because based on what I read, it started with a flat tax, but by the end of the same year it was collecting a different percentage based on wage and, of course, escalated from there.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I agree, but I question the way we are looking at this. Who created the complexity of the tax system in the first place?

I am not completely sure about this, because based on what I read, it started with a flat tax, but by the end of the same year it was collecting a different percentage based on wage and, of course, escalated from there.

To be hoenst, we're screwed. It's only a matter of time. We are in an atmosphere where if Wall Street doesn't beat their numbers the market plummets.

Yet we have articles clearly stating that no one is prepared for retirement and the average 401k is $25k. We all know social security is a joke, so we simply have another ticking timb bomb until someone elects the equivalent to Obama with promises to help - and starts learning to tax appropriately instead of who gives the best BJ under the table.

 

[JimKiler]

The first poll option, Yes, has a misspelling in it see the word purpose.

I answered yes because the poll choices suck. The IRS does not waste our money, the legislature and many departments of the government waste our money. My wife used to work for the USDA and they would fly people to the regional office in Chicago for the christmas party.

 

[sm625]

Dreams, nothing but dreams. The IRS is here to stay and will grow larger and more powerful. It's an enforcement arm of the government.

This type of delusional bootlicking confounds me. Do you ever read the words you write? Let me rephrase it for you: "Dreams, nothing but dreams. Droit du seigneur is here to stay. I am a coward and will gladly let the government rape my daughter and your daughter rather than get up off the couch and fight for what's right and just."

This tax system is an abomination. It is the root of half the corruption in washington DC. Corruption that costs each of us $10000 a year. The honorable and just solution is to abolish it and replace it with a tax system that denies favoritism of any kind, except perhaps a flat rebate per household, one that doesnt discriminate. We should not allow the tax system to corrupted by all this favoritism and vulturism, with all these loopholes and all these lawyers and all these lobbyists. It is pure abomination and needs to go. More than 5% of GDP is lost feeding all that scum, and god knows how much GDP is lost due to tax uncertainties. Who the hell wants to start a business with all that tax code. It is disgusting. For all we know 50% of GDP is being lost due to these uncertainties.

 

[Ketchup]

The first poll option, Yes, has a misspelling in it see the word purpose...

LOL, sorry guys, I didn't even catch that until you mentioned it. This is my first poll (that I can recall), can I fix it or do I need to ask a mod?

 

[glenn1]

Blaming the IRS instead of Congress for the fucked up mess that is the U.S. tax system is stupid. The IRS just administers what's in the Tax Code. Thinking they're at fault is like blaming the hospital billing department for sending you an invoice after a physician provides unnecessary treatment.

 

[Jaskalas]

Given the complexity of our tax system - Yes, we do need the IRS.

But then the question becomes: Do we need such a complex tax system? And that answer is no.

On that principle I vote no.

 

[justoh]

The govt should be run without taxes. Clearly a no.

 

[boomerang]

This type of delusional bootlicking confounds me. Do you ever read the words you write? Let me rephrase it for you: "Dreams, nothing but dreams. Droit du seigneur is here to stay. I am a coward and will gladly let the government rape my daughter and your daughter rather than get up off the couch and fight for what's right and just."

I rather like the phrase "delusional bootlicking". Notwithstanding that we're basically on the same side on this issue and my mild sarcasm went right over your head, what do you intend to do to change the way the IRS operates, the manner in which our taxation is administered? Vote?

 

[brycejones]

The govt should be run without taxes. Clearly a no.

I'm curious what your funding alternative is?

 

[Incorruptible]

Heh. Sooo Dim. If the IRS wastes .001% of all taxes they collect, it's still the only way that the govt will end up with more than bumpkus for tax revenue.

Which is exactly why well-heeled tax cheats & chiselers funding the the Tea Twits want to cut IRS funding. Paying the lowest tax rates in 30 years isn't good enough- they want to pay no taxes at all. Taxes are for little people, right?

Congratulations! You've already lost the debate. Do you ever post without insulting someone?

 

[exdeath]

Lets compromise. Eliminate the BATF, NFA, GCA, and we can keep the IRS.

 

[BoberFett]

The tax rates or tax law complexity are not the IRS fault. It won't be abolished because the tax code is a way for our politicians to reward certain voting/funding blocks.

Now, as a purely hypothetical, I would not want the IRS abolished. Instead I want a more straightforward tax law with less loopholes, deductions and credits. I don't think it will happen though as a giant industry has grown up around and depends on the tax law being complex and its too easy for politicians to make a small change to and claim "We are doing something!"

This.

 

[justoh]

I'm curious what your funding alternative is?

The govt should stop expecting handouts from private citizens.