Do you think we could do without the constitution today?

[TWills]

well?

EDIT: Guess I'll put out a poll while I'm looking at it. Still would like to hear your input. (seems like polls scare off responses)

 

[Crimson]

Originally posted by: TWills
well?

EDIT: Guess I'll put out a poll while I'm looking at it. Still would like to hear your input. (seems like polls scare off responses)

Gee, let me guess.. you think Bush has destroyed it so why bother? Here, have a

 

[TWills]

No, I'm thinking more along the lines of the legislatures' refusal to impeach judges, paper money, standing army (w/out every 2yr vote). That's off the top of my head. And bush really hasn't touched the constitution, other than the fact that he doesn't stand up for what it says. I like PB cookies more anyway...

 

[JustAnAverageGuy]

Originally posted by: Crimson
Gee, let me guess.. you think Bush has destroyed it so why bother? Here, have a

Here's a right back at you 🙂

 

[Kerouactivist]

Originally posted by: TWills
No, I'm thinking more along the lines of the legislatures' refusal to impeach judges, paper money, standing army (w/out every 2yr vote). That's off the top of my head. And bush really hasn't touched the constitution, other than the fact that he doesn't stand up for what it says. I like PB cookies more anyway...

What are you talking about in regards to paper money?

 

[TWills]

Originally posted by: bthorny

Originally posted by: TWills
No, I'm thinking more along the lines of the legislatures' refusal to impeach judges, paper money, standing army (w/out every 2yr vote). That's off the top of my head. And bush really hasn't touched the constitution, other than the fact that he doesn't stand up for what it says. I like PB cookies more anyway...

What are you talking about in regards to paper money?

Well, let's start with what the constitution says. In Article 1, section 8 (which discusses the powers of the Congress), the 5th power of congress, reads as follows:

Congress shall have the power to coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures.

Where in that phrase do you see "Congress shall have the power to print money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign bills, and fix the standards of what is a dollar and what is not?" It is not there.

The founders were very clear as to what the currency in this country was to be; They were intent upon having a gold and/or silver standard. The reason behind having the coined money stemmed from the failure of the Continental Dollar. The Continental Congress had, by 1777, issued $38 million in bills of credit. By october of 1777 these bills had depreciated to a ratio of three for one (foreign currency. I can't remember which right now). They finally reached a low of 167 to 1 in April 1781 before going to nothing.

So, as you can see, the delegates at the constitutional convention had very good reason to leave any implication of paper money out of the constitution and emphasize a tangible, real currency. With paper money, the worth is only as good as the governments' decree. With gold and silver, you have a currency that deserves respect.

One other thing. A gold or a silver standard would not be subject to inflation hardly at all. Paper money is subject to severe inflation (As more bills are circulated, the less the money is worth). Unfortunately, I doubt no one will ever give up paper money. It's cheap, it's easy to produce, it. is. not. worth. anything.

We need to stop using this play money we have today and go back to using the real stuff. It's unconstitutional, dangerous, and dumb.

 

[Crimson]

How does Anandtech attract these people?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: TWills

Originally posted by: bthorny

Originally posted by: TWills
No, I'm thinking more along the lines of the legislatures' refusal to impeach judges, paper money, standing army (w/out every 2yr vote). That's off the top of my head. And bush really hasn't touched the constitution, other than the fact that he doesn't stand up for what it says. I like PB cookies more anyway...

What are you talking about in regards to paper money?

Well, let's start with what the constitution says. In Article 1, section 8 (which discusses the powers of the Congress), the 5th power of congress, reads as follows:

Congress shall have the power to coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures.

Where in that phrase do you see "Congress shall have the power to print money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign bills, and fix the standards of what is a dollar and what is not?" It is not there.

The founders were very clear as to what the currency in this country was to be; They were intent upon having a gold and/or silver standard. The reason behind having the coined money stemmed from the failure of the Continental Dollar. The Continental Congress had, by 1777, issued $38 million in bills of credit. By october of 1777 these bills had depreciated to a ratio of three for one (foreign currency. I can't remember which right now). They finally reached a low of 167 to 1 in April 1781 before going to nothing.

So, as you can see, the delegates at the constitutional convention had very good reason to leave any implication of paper money out of the constitution and emphasize a tangible, real currency. With paper money, the worth is only as good as the governments' decree. With gold and silver, you have a currency that deserves respect.

One other thing. A gold or a silver standard would not be subject to inflation hardly at all. Paper money is subject to severe inflation (As more bills are circulated, the less the money is worth). Unfortunately, I doubt no one will ever give up paper money. It's cheap, it's easy to produce, it. is. not. worth. anything.

We need to stop using this play money we have today and go back to using the real stuff. It's unconstitutional, dangerous, and dumb.

Paper money is nothing compared to electronic money. Dont get so hung up on the literals.

Article II section 2 states Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.


They make no mention of airforce, does that mean the airforce is illegal under the constitution?

 

[TWills]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: TWills

Originally posted by: bthorny

Originally posted by: TWills
No, I'm thinking more along the lines of the legislatures' refusal to impeach judges, paper money, standing army (w/out every 2yr vote). That's off the top of my head. And bush really hasn't touched the constitution, other than the fact that he doesn't stand up for what it says. I like PB cookies more anyway...

What are you talking about in regards to paper money?

Well, let's start with what the constitution says. In Article 1, section 8 (which discusses the powers of the Congress), the 5th power of congress, reads as follows:

Congress shall have the power to coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures.

Where in that phrase do you see "Congress shall have the power to print money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign bills, and fix the standards of what is a dollar and what is not?" It is not there.

The founders were very clear as to what the currency in this country was to be; They were intent upon having a gold and/or silver standard. The reason behind having the coined money stemmed from the failure of the Continental Dollar. The Continental Congress had, by 1777, issued $38 million in bills of credit. By october of 1777 these bills had depreciated to a ratio of three for one (foreign currency. I can't remember which right now). They finally reached a low of 167 to 1 in April 1781 before going to nothing.

So, as you can see, the delegates at the constitutional convention had very good reason to leave any implication of paper money out of the constitution and emphasize a tangible, real currency. With paper money, the worth is only as good as the governments' decree. With gold and silver, you have a currency that deserves respect.

One other thing. A gold or a silver standard would not be subject to inflation hardly at all. Paper money is subject to severe inflation (As more bills are circulated, the less the money is worth). Unfortunately, I doubt no one will ever give up paper money. It's cheap, it's easy to produce, it. is. not. worth. anything.

We need to stop using this play money we have today and go back to using the real stuff. It's unconstitutional, dangerous, and dumb.

Paper money is nothing compared to electronic money. Dont get so hung up on the literals.

Article II section 2 states Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.


They make no mention of airforce, does that mean the airforce is illegal under the constitution?

Yes. That's why we have a ****ing amendment process. Let's use it! :| If we don't follow the constitution and just do our own thing, what's the point of having it in the first place?

Side note: Air force came after ratifying of the consitution; they didn't have it then...so it wasn't there TO be added. Why not add it now?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: TWills

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: TWills

Originally posted by: bthorny

Originally posted by: TWills
No, I'm thinking more along the lines of the legislatures' refusal to impeach judges, paper money, standing army (w/out every 2yr vote). That's off the top of my head. And bush really hasn't touched the constitution, other than the fact that he doesn't stand up for what it says. I like PB cookies more anyway...

What are you talking about in regards to paper money?

Well, let's start with what the constitution says. In Article 1, section 8 (which discusses the powers of the Congress), the 5th power of congress, reads as follows:

Congress shall have the power to coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures.

Where in that phrase do you see "Congress shall have the power to print money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign bills, and fix the standards of what is a dollar and what is not?" It is not there.

The founders were very clear as to what the currency in this country was to be; They were intent upon having a gold and/or silver standard. The reason behind having the coined money stemmed from the failure of the Continental Dollar. The Continental Congress had, by 1777, issued $38 million in bills of credit. By october of 1777 these bills had depreciated to a ratio of three for one (foreign currency. I can't remember which right now). They finally reached a low of 167 to 1 in April 1781 before going to nothing.

So, as you can see, the delegates at the constitutional convention had very good reason to leave any implication of paper money out of the constitution and emphasize a tangible, real currency. With paper money, the worth is only as good as the governments' decree. With gold and silver, you have a currency that deserves respect.

One other thing. A gold or a silver standard would not be subject to inflation hardly at all. Paper money is subject to severe inflation (As more bills are circulated, the less the money is worth). Unfortunately, I doubt no one will ever give up paper money. It's cheap, it's easy to produce, it. is. not. worth. anything.

We need to stop using this play money we have today and go back to using the real stuff. It's unconstitutional, dangerous, and dumb.

Paper money is nothing compared to electronic money. Dont get so hung up on the literals.

Article II section 2 states Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.


They make no mention of airforce, does that mean the airforce is illegal under the constitution?

Yes. That's why we have a ****ing amendment process. Let's use it! :| If we don't follow the constitution and just do our own thing, what's the point of having it in the first place?

Side note: Air force came after ratifying of the consitution; they didn't have it then...so it wasn't there TO be added. Why not add it now?

I didnt see the amendment that dealt with the airforce. My point is some of the literal meanings in the constitution arent relevant in a modern world but the idea behind them is.

Furthermore if the idea behind the quote was the congress would only create coin based on a metal they could put a value on. Then how exactly do they deal with creating debt by borrowing on the good credit of the United States which is part of the same section?

 

[0marTheZealot]

Congress shall have the power to declare war.

 

[2Xtreme21]

I would love to see our government without the Constitution:

Protesters? Eh, just throw 'em in jail. Oh, and Christianity is now the national religion. We'll also just use the police to go through people's things and try to incriminate people for things... but there would be no actual crimes, per se. It'd just be if the government doesn't like what you did, you'd be imprisoned. No trial, no lawyers, no nothing. Oh and imprisonment? Yeah, that'd be the most minor of penalties. Anyone up for some good 'ol fashioned torture?

Yeah, despite some of the things that are being circumvented through the Patriot Act and other things, we could not live freely without the Constitution. For some of us, it's the only thing we can use to lean on.

 

[piasabird]

You use to get strung up for cattle rustling and stealing horses. However, today, if you steal a car you are not even likely to go to jail. Where is the justice in that? Maybe we need to go back to our roots and start executing car theives.

 

[ScottyB]

Originally posted by: piasabird
You use to get strung up for cattle rustling and stealing horses. However, today, if you steal a car you are not even likely to go to jail. Where is the justice in that? Maybe we need to go back to our roots and start executing car theives.

Is that what Jesus said? Eye for an eye, life for a Mazda?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: TWills
Topic Title: Do you think we could do without the constitution today?

What's the Constitution?

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: TWills

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: TWills

Originally posted by: bthorny

Originally posted by: TWills
No, I'm thinking more along the lines of the legislatures' refusal to impeach judges, paper money, standing army (w/out every 2yr vote). That's off the top of my head. And bush really hasn't touched the constitution, other than the fact that he doesn't stand up for what it says. I like PB cookies more anyway...

What are you talking about in regards to paper money?

Well, let's start with what the constitution says. In Article 1, section 8 (which discusses the powers of the Congress), the 5th power of congress, reads as follows:

Congress shall have the power to coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures.

Where in that phrase do you see "Congress shall have the power to print money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign bills, and fix the standards of what is a dollar and what is not?" It is not there.

The founders were very clear as to what the currency in this country was to be; They were intent upon having a gold and/or silver standard. The reason behind having the coined money stemmed from the failure of the Continental Dollar. The Continental Congress had, by 1777, issued $38 million in bills of credit. By october of 1777 these bills had depreciated to a ratio of three for one (foreign currency. I can't remember which right now). They finally reached a low of 167 to 1 in April 1781 before going to nothing.

So, as you can see, the delegates at the constitutional convention had very good reason to leave any implication of paper money out of the constitution and emphasize a tangible, real currency. With paper money, the worth is only as good as the governments' decree. With gold and silver, you have a currency that deserves respect.

One other thing. A gold or a silver standard would not be subject to inflation hardly at all. Paper money is subject to severe inflation (As more bills are circulated, the less the money is worth). Unfortunately, I doubt no one will ever give up paper money. It's cheap, it's easy to produce, it. is. not. worth. anything.

We need to stop using this play money we have today and go back to using the real stuff. It's unconstitutional, dangerous, and dumb.

Paper money is nothing compared to electronic money. Dont get so hung up on the literals.

Article II section 2 states Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.


They make no mention of airforce, does that mean the airforce is illegal under the constitution?

Yes. That's why we have a ****ing amendment process. Let's use it! :| If we don't follow the constitution and just do our own thing, what's the point of having it in the first place?

Side note: Air force came after ratifying of the consitution; they didn't have it then...so it wasn't there TO be added. Why not add it now?

Great plan. And the Marines, Coast Guard, CIA, NSA, National Guard? Amendment every time we add an entity that didn't exist in the framers' time? Get real.

Even Scalia acknowledges that he doesn't believe in a literal reading of the Constitution. "Strict construction" may mean many things to many people, but among both the intellectual left AND right, it doesn't mean "literal".