Do you think the US would be safer with a national ID card tracking system?

[Passions]

Interpol exists to help create a safer world. Our aim is to provide a unique range of essential services for the law enforcement community to optimise the international effort to combat crime.


Just have this massive database among the 50 states sharing data, logging and tracking information on all uses of credit cards, banks, hotels, rental cars, airplane trips, ATMs, etc. Basically Interpol can track and identify anyone around Europe within minutes. That's some awesome police power right there.

It says that the US is a member of Interpol, but I think a more internal non-International based system would work well. If you have no criminal record, then what's the big fuss about? Ordinary citizens don't have anything to worry about being tracked. I think a national ID card tracking system would work well. Terrorists would be severely limited with this new system.

The Dept of Homeland Security, FBI, CIA, NSA, are all a joke. Too many clubs, not enough power. Get rid of them all and make a single unified Terrorist hunting organization. Sounds kind of creepy, but would be much more effective.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

I think that fascism would make the country a whole lot safer? but I don?t think it?s a good idea. When you are free there is some collateral damage... think of 9/11, illegal immigrants, and inter-state dead-beat dads, not as a way to show we have too much freedom, but as a way to show that we are willing to take the lumps that come with freedom.

?ware is your badge citizen?...
If this does come to pass then it?ll make my first thought after hearing the term ?department of homeland security? right:

?department of homeland security.. wasn?t the last one of those called the SS??

no.. freedom comes at a price, a price I?d be willing to shed my blood for... but those that would trade freedom for security will gain nether.

ps

I support Interpol for their anti child-pornography/sex-slave efforts.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - you have GOTTA be kidding! Just when I think you might be a real person (by your posting an uninformed but at least human-sounding sentiment in this thread - I could do without the "RECOGNIZE, though), you go ahead and post another demented freedom-reduction manifesto. You are one strange ranger.

While we're at it, why don't we just require every hospital to implant a tracking chip in every newborn, like the ones in domestic pets, to allow for easy satellite location and identity verification?

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Passions
Interpol exists to help create a safer world. Our aim is to provide a unique range of essential services for the law enforcement community to optimise the international effort to combat crime.


Just have this massive database among the 50 states sharing data, logging and tracking information on all uses of credit cards, banks, hotels, rental cars, airplane trips, ATMs, etc. Basically Interpol can track and identify anyone around Europe within minutes. That's some awesome police power right there.

It says that the US is a member of Interpol, but I think a more internal non-International based system would work well. If you have no criminal record, then what's the big fuss about? Ordinary citizens don't have anything to worry about being tracked. I think a national ID card tracking system would work well. Terrorists would be severely limited with this new system.

The Dept of Homeland Security, FBI, CIA, NSA, are all a joke. Too many clubs, not enough power. Get rid of them all and make a single unified Terrorist hunting organization. Sounds kind of creepy, but would be much more effective.

Where did you get that information regarding Interpol?

It is wrong, Interpol has a collection of some of the local law enforcements databases to offer for worldwid search, nothing fancy like tracking ATM's, credit cards or anything else you listed.


PDF from interpol's website

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Passions
If you have no criminal record, then what's the big fuss about? Ordinary citizens don't have anything to worry about being tracked.

That's a terrible argument. Frankly, I value the privacy of this country's citizens more highly than you do. Neither do I relish the thought of an omniscient government entity tracking my every move, every purchase, and every thought. Giving up liberties in the name of "safety" is the antithesis of freedom. Nor does it solve the terrorism problem either.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
I've said it before, and I'll say it again - you have GOTTA be kidding! Just when I think you might be a real person (by your posting an uninformed but at least human-sounding sentiment in this thread - I could do without the "RECOGNIZE, though), you go ahead and post another demented freedom-reduction manifesto. You are one strange ranger.

While we're at it, why don't we just require every hospital to implant a tracking chip in every newborn, like the ones in domestic pets, to allow for easy satellite location and identity verification?

Here in my country of Oceania we faced this problem. Terrorists (who are anyone who opposes our government) created a huge problem for our Leaders. Since not being for them meant being against them, we were convinced by our Ministry of Love that is would be for the higher good if we allowed the introduction of such databases, then implants and other monitoring equipment. After all, if we are honest law abiding citizens, we have nothing to fear, right?

I once had reservations about all of this, but Ingsoc's kindly Thought Police re-educated me to see their wisdom.

It's all as simple as 2+2=5.

You have been a bit backwards, but I can see from the OP that this is changing. Your own Ministries will lovingly guide you to a secure future, and security is what you crave, isn't it?

You too will learn to love Big Brother.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: Don_Vito
I've said it before, and I'll say it again - you have GOTTA be kidding! Just when I think you might be a real person (by your posting an uninformed but at least human-sounding sentiment in this thread - I could do without the "RECOGNIZE, though), you go ahead and post another demented freedom-reduction manifesto. You are one strange ranger.

While we're at it, why don't we just require every hospital to implant a tracking chip in every newborn, like the ones in domestic pets, to allow for easy satellite location and identity verification?

Here in my country of Oceania we faced this problem. Terrorists (who are anyone who opposes our government) created a huge problem for our Leaders. Since not being for them meant being against them, we were convinced by our Ministry of Love that is would be for the higher good if we allowed the introduction of such databases, then implants and other monitoring equipment. After all, if we are honest law abiding citizens, we have nothing to fear, right?

I once had reservations about all of this, but Ingsoc's kindly Thought Police re-educated me to see their wisdom.

It's all as simple as 2+2=5.

You have been a bit backwards, but I can see from the OP that this is changing. Your own Ministries will lovingly guide you to a secure future, and security is what you crave, isn't it?

You too will learn to love Big Brother.

but.. 2+2 does = 5.. for very large values of 2

 

[cquark]

A national ID card will not make Americans any more secure, and it might make us less secure.

For a system to be secure, it must have two characteristics:
1. It must never transition from a secure state to an insecure state.
2. It must start in a secure state.

Quality #2 is the most obvious problem here. How are you going to determine people's identities to give them their national ID cards? You're going to use their existing identification : driver's license, birth certificate, social security card, etc. If those identifiers are not secure (and they aren't--two of the 9/11 terrorists had valid driver's licenses in false names), then the new system is not going to be any more secure than the original one.

The initialization problem isn't a one time issue either--people lose IDs with alarming frequency, so system must always provide a method for people to obtain these national IDs , using other identifiers. Even without the initialization problem, there are plenty of other ways around the system, from bribing the officials to making your own IDs, which will likely be difficult at first, but as we've learned from currency and passport forgery over the last century, forgery technology will advance to be able to make good forgeries within a few years of the release of a counter-forgery technology-enabled document.

Is a national identification system even an appropriate solution to the security threat that we currently confront--Middle Eastern terrorism, especially suicide bombers who rarely have committed prior acts of terrorism and who for obvious reasons won't commit future ones? Would it have prevented 9/11? The answers are "no" and "no."

Security is important, and that means we should examine all security proposals carefully to determine which ones are effective and which ones are a waste of resources. A national identification system would cost us our privacy and billions of dollars without providing an effective defence against our primary threats. It's a bad idea. Let's invest our security dollars in proposals that will actually help us and stop wasting money on useless security theatre.

 

[Strk]

What do yo call social security cards and, for those old enough, driver's license numbers?

Whether I'm in Texas, California or here at home those numbers still lead back to me.

 

[arsbanned]

NO NATIONAL ID CARDS PLEASE. THANK YOU.

 

[Bowmaster]

I think we should have National ID cards - complete with your religious symbol reproduced on the front of it. Yeah, and we can wear them on our shirts so the National Security Force will know whether we may be a threat or not. After all, we have nothing to hide, do we?

What's that you say? It's been tried before with horrendous results? Well, I'm SURE it will turn out better this time...

 

[Fausto]

Another day, another troll post from FASCIONS.

 

[lozina]

Yes a national ID card which is color coded to represent the kind of threat you are to national security ranging from blue or 'no threat' to red or 'severe threat'. The threat level will be determined by the books you read, your religion, the food you eat, how long your hair is, etc..