Do you think that with all the terrorist attacks and plots......

[UsandThem]

I don't want to discuss who is right or wrong or why, that why I put it here not in P&N.

I was just watching the news, and thought about this. Will Americans get to a point where there is a major backlash against Muslims? A revival of Nazism or K.K.K targeting Muslims instead of African Americans like they did in the past (I know that they hate anybody not white, but African Americans were their main focus.)

Since this site has mostly young members, I would like to get their opinion and see if it is different then when I was growing up.

For example, a there is a heavy metal group that has a song called Personal Insult (found the lyrics from Google and listened to the song to verify that they were true):

The lyrics are:

Personal Insult till multiple Injury is in store for you not me
They simply had to be calling out, calling out to me
Blacked out, I blacked out with a hatred, I hate enough to see
Personal insult leads to multi-injury
Damn the eyes
The ultimate fix is in, crawling though diease and ruins
Enslavement of man begins, only the strong yet scared are
Spared an early death
(chorus)
Personal insult, till multiple injury
Personal insult, destroying
Personal insult to multiple injury
Personal insult, on your, crushing

Unholy war you will get, you can get, its just bullsh*t (sandnig*er)
A holy wwar you will get, you can get, jihad is a joke

FIGHT US THE AMERICAN PUBLIC
THE MOST PISSED OFF MOTHER F*CKERS IN THE WORLD

Now, I know there are a lot of no name groups that make underground racist music. However, the group is Superjoint Ritual fronted by Phil Anselmo (ex Pantera and Down lead singer). They are on a major record company.

 

[michaels]

Islam needs a huge enima before it destroys itself.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Being afraid of this very thing I donated my time as a guard at local mosques and muslim businesses immediately after 9/11. I was pleasantly surprised to see that there was really very little backlash. Maybe we've actually outgrown those things. (I hope)

Should it happen, however, they're not going to face a nice peaceful marching Dr. Martin Luther King; they'll face me and all my friends with training and assault weapons. Homie don't allow no hatred in his hometown.

 

[clamum]

I'd hope not, since in this day people seem to be more enlightened about this sort of thing. But, anything is possible I guess. I think education plays an important part, i.e., just because someone is a Muslim (or insert whatever race/religion here), doesn't mean they're a suicidal terrorist.

 

[CKent]

It's already started, look around you...

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Being afraid of this very thing I donated my time as a guard at local muslim mosques and businesses immediately after 9/11. I was pleasantly surprised to see that there was really very little backlash. Maybe we've actually outgrown those things. (I hope)

Should it happen, however, they're not going to face a nice peaceful marching Dr. Martin Luther King; they'll face me and all my friends with training and assault weapons. Homie don't allow no hatred in his hometown.

Wait, so let me understand this correctly.... it's ok for you to use violence to enforce your view, but it's not OK for them to be hateful? Sounds like you need to be the first to be eliminated, it's that mentality that is at the heart of the problems in the world.

I used to think a small fringe of muslims were wackos, much like theres a small fringe of every group that's wacko. The whole thing with the cartoons in Denmark was a pretty good indicator to me that it's not a small fringe, that there's a fairly large proportion of muslims that are wackos. The idea that someone can have a different view than theirs and still coexist is somehow foreign to them, and they are willing to use violence to enforce their beliefs. Anyone who holds fundamental beliefs that make it OK to violently act out against another to force them to agree with your views is a danger to mankind...... Unfortunately, it would appear a lot of muslims fall in that category, though certainly not all.

 

[sygyzy]

A revival? You must be kidding. Where have you been? It's here, son.

 

[phantom309]

You'd think so, with the terrorist attacks and and the immigration issue. But it doesn't seem to be happening - yet.

 

[UsandThem]

Originally posted by: clamum
I'd hope not, since in this day people seem to be more enlightened about this sort of thing. But, anything is possible I guess. I think education plays an important part, i.e., just because someone is a Muslim (or insert whatever race/religion here), doesn't mean they're a suicidal terrorist.

Exactly.

However to be perfectly honest, when I had to fly from Brussels back to the U.S. with my wife and small child about two months after 9/11 I found myself watching people from the Middle East on the plane. I felt very uneasy.

I just couldn't help it. However, I noticed I was not the only one constantly looking in their direction.

 

[monk3y]

I really wouldn't be surprised. The main problem is that the terrorist attacks/threats keep coming, backing up more and more feelings of hate.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Being afraid of this very thing I donated my time as a guard at local muslim mosques and businesses immediately after 9/11. I was pleasantly surprised to see that there was really very little backlash. Maybe we've actually outgrown those things. (I hope)

Should it happen, however, they're not going to face a nice peaceful marching Dr. Martin Luther King; they'll face me and all my friends with training and assault weapons. Homie don't allow no hatred in his hometown.

Wait, so let me understand this correctly.... it's ok for you to use violence to enforce your view, but it's not OK for them to be hateful? Sounds like you need to be the first to be eliminated, it's that mentality that is at the heart of the problems in the world.

I used to think a small fringe of muslims were wackos, much like theres a small fringe of every group that's wacko. The whole thing with the cartoons in Denmark was a pretty good indicator to me that it's not a small fringe, that there's a fairly large proportion of muslims that are wackos. The idea that someone can have a different view than theirs and still coexist is somehow foreign to them, and they are willing to use violence to enforce their beliefs. Anyone who holds fundamental beliefs that make it OK to violently act out against another to force them to agree with your views is a danger to mankind...... Unfortunately, it would appear a lot of muslims fall in that category, though certainly not all.

I understand your point, and accept the hypocrisy of it. But I've read about too many atrocities committed upon minorities, or those who can't (or won't) stand up for themselves. I couldn't possibly sit by and watch it happen, nor do I have the patience to wait 40 years for a peaceful solution while innocent people are harmed. Those who would do the harm are NOT innocent, and would deserve what they get. Should it come to it, I WILL use every bit of power at my disposal to protect the innocent. If that means killing a hundred thousand racist bastards or religious zealots, so be it.

 

[michaels]

You should start on the Islamic fanatics that are killing innocents daily.

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Being afraid of this very thing I donated my time as a guard at local muslim mosques and businesses immediately after 9/11. I was pleasantly surprised to see that there was really very little backlash. Maybe we've actually outgrown those things. (I hope)

Should it happen, however, they're not going to face a nice peaceful marching Dr. Martin Luther King; they'll face me and all my friends with training and assault weapons. Homie don't allow no hatred in his hometown.

Wait, so let me understand this correctly.... it's ok for you to use violence to enforce your view, but it's not OK for them to be hateful? Sounds like you need to be the first to be eliminated, it's that mentality that is at the heart of the problems in the world.

I used to think a small fringe of muslims were wackos, much like theres a small fringe of every group that's wacko. The whole thing with the cartoons in Denmark was a pretty good indicator to me that it's not a small fringe, that there's a fairly large proportion of muslims that are wackos. The idea that someone can have a different view than theirs and still coexist is somehow foreign to them, and they are willing to use violence to enforce their beliefs. Anyone who holds fundamental beliefs that make it OK to violently act out against another to force them to agree with your views is a danger to mankind...... Unfortunately, it would appear a lot of muslims fall in that category, though certainly not all.

I understand your point, and accept the hypocrisy of it. But I've read about too many atrocities committed upon minorities, or those who can't (or won't) stand up for themselves. I couldn't possibly sit by and watch it happen, nor do I have the patience to wait 40 years for a peaceful solution while innocent people are harmed. Those who would do the harm are NOT innocent, and would deserve what they get. Should it come to it, I WILL use every bit of power at my disposal to protect the innocent. If that means killing a hundred thousand racist bastards or religious zealots, so be it.

.. thus you fuel the very thing you claim to be against. You'd be one of those that would push otherwise normal reasonable people toward the side of the racists -- two wrongs do not make a right.... and your violence would be answered with more violence. Welcome to a microcosm of the middle east.

 

[Eeezee]

I'm surprised we haven't seen any racist rednecks packing up shop and moving to the middle east for some huntin'

They're too busy watching NASCAR to do what they say they want to do

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: michaels
You should start on the Islamic fanatics that are killing innocents daily.

Sure, where are they? Do you know what they're going to attack? If so, I'll grab my rifle and go defend it. Unfortunately it doesn't work like that against these guys...terrorism is an idea, not a group. You can't ever defeat it with directed force.

I do the best I can by carrying my sidearm every day and staying vigilant. If I notice something dangerous, I'll report it. What I won't do is take out my anger on an innocent person. Nor will I allow innocents to come to harm through my inaction.

 

[JS80]

Believe it or not, there is a current build-up that will lead to a war of cultures - the Islamists who wish to convert or kill, and the rest of us, who will be converted or fight. The problem is that it's hard right now to distinguish the Muslims between the ones that believe in Islamic evangelism, and those who are independant of that. So far most Muslims in the US keep quiet, or support Global Islamo pursuits (see actions of CAIR for the last 5 years), and it will be a sad day when we have to deal with that fact.

I do, however, feel fortunate that the Muslim population is relatively small (compared to places like Canada and Europe) for ours and the innocent Muslims' sakes.

 

[michaels]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
I'm surprised we haven't seen any racist rednecks packing up shop and moving to the middle east for some huntin'

They're too busy watching NASCAR to do what they say they want to do

Yeah because we all know only whites are racists...oh and every redneck is racist.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands

Originally posted by: PokerGuy

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
Being afraid of this very thing I donated my time as a guard at local muslim mosques and businesses immediately after 9/11. I was pleasantly surprised to see that there was really very little backlash. Maybe we've actually outgrown those things. (I hope)

Should it happen, however, they're not going to face a nice peaceful marching Dr. Martin Luther King; they'll face me and all my friends with training and assault weapons. Homie don't allow no hatred in his hometown.

Wait, so let me understand this correctly.... it's ok for you to use violence to enforce your view, but it's not OK for them to be hateful? Sounds like you need to be the first to be eliminated, it's that mentality that is at the heart of the problems in the world.

I used to think a small fringe of muslims were wackos, much like theres a small fringe of every group that's wacko. The whole thing with the cartoons in Denmark was a pretty good indicator to me that it's not a small fringe, that there's a fairly large proportion of muslims that are wackos. The idea that someone can have a different view than theirs and still coexist is somehow foreign to them, and they are willing to use violence to enforce their beliefs. Anyone who holds fundamental beliefs that make it OK to violently act out against another to force them to agree with your views is a danger to mankind...... Unfortunately, it would appear a lot of muslims fall in that category, though certainly not all.

I understand your point, and accept the hypocrisy of it. But I've read about too many atrocities committed upon minorities, or those who can't (or won't) stand up for themselves. I couldn't possibly sit by and watch it happen, nor do I have the patience to wait 40 years for a peaceful solution while innocent people are harmed. Those who would do the harm are NOT innocent, and would deserve what they get. Should it come to it, I WILL use every bit of power at my disposal to protect the innocent. If that means killing a hundred thousand racist bastards or religious zealots, so be it.

.. thus you fuel the very thing you claim to be against. You'd be one of those that would push otherwise normal reasonable people toward the side of the racists -- two wrongs do not make a right.... and your violence would be answered with more violence. Welcome to a microcosm of the middle east.

That's entirely possible. So is it better to stand by and let the lynchings go again? Midnight white sheet parties? Firebombs into innocent businesses? All the while waiting for government to reach some agreement on how to force people to not be stupid any more?

Can you honestly tell me that if you were alive in the '60s you'd be able to stand there and watch a bunch of redneck yahoo's abuse a man because of the color of his skin? You must know that if you come to his aid at all, even without violence, that those against him WILL focus their rage upon you and attack. Then you can take it, or fight back. Your choice. Personally, I'll do my best to kill them first.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Eeezee
I'm surprised we haven't seen any racist rednecks packing up shop and moving to the middle east for some huntin'

They're too busy watching NASCAR to do what they say they want to do

Yea, but we have seen Muslims firing rockets into Israel.