Do you think Roger Clemens did steroids?

[James3shin]

Before listening to the phone conversation between Roger and Brian McNamee I was pretty sure Roger used steroids or some performance enhancing drugs, but now I'm unsure. I'm not 100% positive that he's clean but I'm unsure.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: James3shin
Before listening to the phone conversation between Roger and Brian McNamee I was pretty sure Roger used steroids or some performance enhancing drugs, but now I'm unsure. I'm not 100% positive that he's clean but I'm unsure.

same.

it sure sounded like the trainer lied and is now going to stick to it so he does not go to jail.

not to mention mcnee says he thinks Clemens would beat a lie detector test

 

[Spooner]

Should poll this.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: James3shin
Before listening to the phone conversation between Roger and Brian McNamee I was pretty sure Roger used steroids or some performance enhancing drugs, but now I'm unsure. I'm not 100% positive that he's clean but I'm unsure.

same.

it sure sounded like the trainer lied and is now going to stick to it so he does not go to jail.

I got just the opposite from it. Especially because of something like this:

"Tell me what you want me to do. I'll go to jail. I'll do whatever you want."

If he recants his story, he gets hit with perjury (he testified under oath, correct) and goes to jail. Recanting his story clears Clemens' name. Looks like he was just waiting for Roger to ask him to do it.

 

[purbeast0]

dont know and dont really care, but i really am sick of hearing this as the top story every time i turn on the sports talk radio show.

 

[Capt Caveman]

The phone conversation was completely BS. Why didn't Clemens ask McMamee why he lied(if he did)? You'd think Clemens would want to know why McMamee made that stuff-up, if he really did.

Guilty

 

[Deeko]

I just don't care, honestly.

 

[Modeps]

Aint no way a guy Roger's age could throw the ball as well without a little extra help from something.

 

[Red Dawn]

I'll reserve judgement until after McNamee and Clemens testify under oath before the Senate.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Modeps
Aint no way a guy Roger's age could throw the ball as well without a little extra help from something.

there are a few in Pro sports who that even at a older age have dominated. it is nothing new. rare but not new.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Modeps
Aint no way a guy Roger's age could throw the ball as well without a little extra help from something.

You mean the B-12 and Lidocaine?

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Modeps
Aint no way a guy Roger's age could throw the ball as well without a little extra help from something.

there are a few in Pro sports who that even at a older age have dominated. it is nothing new. rare but not new.

None that got better as they got older, like Bonds.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Modeps
Aint no way a guy Roger's age could throw the ball as well without a little extra help from something.

You think Nolan Ryan did Roids?

 

[IceBergSLiM]

are we going to have a new roger clemens steroid thread every day?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Modeps
Aint no way a guy Roger's age could throw the ball as well without a little extra help from something.

there are a few in Pro sports who that even at a older age have dominated. it is nothing new. rare but not new.

None that got better as they got older, like Bonds.

to be fair Bonds was damn good before he got on the roids. he would nto have had as many homers but he was still good.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Modeps
Aint no way a guy Roger's age could throw the ball as well without a little extra help from something.

You think Nolan Ryan did Roids?

ripken is another that comes to mind.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Modeps
Aint no way a guy Roger's age could throw the ball as well without a little extra help from something.

there are a few in Pro sports who that even at a older age have dominated. it is nothing new. rare but not new.

None that got better as they got older, like Bonds.

to be fair Bonds was damn good before he got on the roids. he would nto have had as many homers but he was still good.

No disagreement there. I used Bonds as the only other example of another player that got better in his late 30s like Clemens. And we all know that Bonds was a juice boy.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Modeps
Aint no way a guy Roger's age could throw the ball as well without a little extra help from something.

You think Nolan Ryan did Roids?

ripken is another that comes to mind.

Ryan had 3 good years thrown into the last decade of his career. For the most part, he had a higher ERA, less strike outs, and pitched less innings. He also had medicore W-L ratios except for those 3 seasons.

Comparably, Clemens numbers in his last few seasons are some of the best of his career.

And Ripken? Ripken just stayed average offensively (that's all he was for most of his career) and his defensive performance declined greatly over the last 5 years of his career (which may also be associated with his move to 3rd).

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Modeps
Aint no way a guy Roger's age could throw the ball as well without a little extra help from something.

You think Nolan Ryan did Roids?

ripken is another that comes to mind.

Ryan had 3 good years thrown into the last decade of his career. For the most part, he had a higher ERA, less strike outs, and pitched less innings. He also had medicore W-L ratios except for those 3 seasons.

Comparably, Clemens numbers in his last few seasons are some of the best of his career.

And Ripken? Ripken just stayed average offensively (that's all he was for most of his career) and his defensive performance declined greatly over the last 5 years of his career (which may also be associated with his move to 3rd).

shrug still does not change the fact its very possible for a older person to play and play well.


right now the one person that claims Clemens took them word is in doubt (at least to me).

either way it is going to make for a intersting off season LOL i hope it leads to some stronger testing for steriods. or t hey should just make it legal.

 

[puffff]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
The phone conversation was completely BS. Why didn't Clemens ask McMamee why he lied(if he did)? You'd think Clemens would want to know why McMamee made that stuff-up, if he really did.

Guilty

Clemens had to be careful about what he said. He definitely did not want to come across as coercing a federal witness.

 

[Miramonti]

It was a definitive yes before the call, and a definitive yes after. The trainer also named petite, who's quasi-admitted his uses for 'rehab'. No reason to lie about clemens, who he had a tighter relationshop with.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Modeps
Aint no way a guy Roger's age could throw the ball as well without a little extra help from something.

You mean the B-12 and Lidocaine?

there was an anesthesiologist on the sports talk radio yesterday and he was saying now Lidocaine is never EVER used in situations Clemens explained that he used it in. he was saying it's basically a numbing solution and that injecting it directly into muscles would have no positive benefits at all and couldn't understand why one would do it. all it would do is basically numb the muscle.

he was saying that if clemens injected it into his ass all it would do is numb his ass.

needless to say the anesthesiologist thinks he's guilty as charged.

 

[jjones]

Don't care. Baseball's got so many black eyes that it makes a two dollar hooker look like royalty.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: puffff

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
The phone conversation was completely BS. Why didn't Clemens ask McMamee why he lied(if he did)? You'd think Clemens would want to know why McMamee made that stuff-up, if he really did.

Guilty

Clemens had to be careful about what he said. He definitely did not want to come across as coercing a federal witness.

Of course, Clemens had lawyers with him while he was taping the conversation. One reason why there was silence and no words from Clemens when McMamee asked 21 times to Clemens what Clemens wanted him to do to fix things.

But you'd think Clemens would want to know why McMamee made that stuff-up about him if he indeed was lying. He wasn't lying about Pettite why lie about Clemens.

 

[imported_Imp]

Looking at his disproportionately muscular build, I have to say I always suspected. However, I still thought that his "finesse" helped his pitching more than drugs, but I was probably way way off.