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In reply to a couple comments: I was Mormon for most of my life, and I've heard of absolutely no Mormons practicing polygamy (except "back in the day"). The Mormon church doesn't condone polygamy.
Originally posted by: spidey07
The trend IS NOT toward legalizing gay marriage. In fact the trend is strongly against it. It is your very question as to why the trend is strongly against gay marriage as that line of thinking leads to marrying whatever the hell you want. That is wrong. So very, very wrong.
Polygamy, gay marriage, having kids out of wedlock are all the same - they are wrong. Do not allow this behavior or line of thinking.
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
How about staying the hell out of other people's business.
How does this effect someone with no direct involvement exactly?
Originally posted by: spidey07
1) I don't care what one does and exercising their freedom and liberty without persecution or prosecution. That is liberty.
2) I DO care about marriage and what it means to me, and that's probably the rub.
3) Marriage is a union to raise children - more rub there as that is my view and belief. If society could stick to this simple concept..
I'm pro-choice, pro-dowhateverthehell you want. But marriage is a promise to birth and raise children. That is what it means to me and I'm sure many disagree with that.
Originally posted by: spidey07
The trend IS NOT toward legalizing gay marriage. In fact the trend is strongly against it. It is your very question as to why the trend is strongly against gay marriage as that line of thinking leads to marrying whatever the hell you want. That is wrong. So very, very wrong.
Polygamy, gay marriage, having kids out of wedlock are all the same - they are wrong. Do not allow this behavior or line of thinking.
Originally posted by: eits
... how exactly can you make a connection between polygamy and gay marriage?
the law should be that marriage = one person with one unrelated person.
Originally posted by: eits
Originally posted by: spidey07
The trend IS NOT toward legalizing gay marriage. In fact the trend is strongly against it. It is your very question as to why the trend is strongly against gay marriage as that line of thinking leads to marrying whatever the hell you want. That is wrong. So very, very wrong.
Polygamy, gay marriage, having kids out of wedlock are all the same - they are wrong. Do not allow this behavior or line of thinking.
what? haha why? how's it wrong? is it causing any damage? is it making you gay? is it somehow going to change who you are?
Originally posted by: between
your confusion stems from your poor/dim understanding of the legal argument for gay marriage, which is based on the idea that all citizens should have equal rights before the law. i.e., straight people are able to marry, therefore gay people should be able to do that too. you can't make an equivalent, equality-based legal argument for polygamy, because the rules against polygamous marriage apply to everyone. There are also restrictions relating to age (e.g., people can't marry until they are older than a certain age). these are arbitrary lines in the sand that have been written into law. you can argue against them, but the argument will not be based around equal protection or legal equality.
Originally posted by: spidey07
The trend IS NOT toward legalizing gay marriage. In fact the trend is strongly against it. It is your very question as to why the trend is strongly against gay marriage as that line of thinking leads to marrying whatever the hell you want. That is wrong. So very, very wrong.
Polygamy, gay marriage, having kids out of wedlock are all the same - they are wrong. Do not allow this behavior or line of thinking.
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: spidey07
The trend IS NOT toward legalizing gay marriage. In fact the trend is strongly against it. It is your very question as to why the trend is strongly against gay marriage as that line of thinking leads to marrying whatever the hell you want. That is wrong. So very, very wrong.
Polygamy, gay marriage, having kids out of wedlock are all the same - they are wrong. Do not allow this behavior or line of thinking.
Would you say the same thing if you were born gay?
Nobody is born gay. It's a freaking choice. And if you're born gay that is natural selection saying "you don't get to play in the gene pool or influence a child". aka, marriage.
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Sure, why not? It's truly none of my business.
You might change your mind about that when:
1. Your company's health care costs skyrocket because they have to cover that perk for your co-worker's seven wives and 27 children on the back of his one salary . . . so they cut EVERYONE'S coverage, including yours.
2. Your taxes go up because that guy's 27 dependent deductions mean that not only does he pay zero income tax but he and his lovely family are now eligible for a WIDE variety of free social services . . . which you are now paying for.
3. Your wife, with whom you are not currently getting along, secretly marries the guy who cuts your lawn one night in Vegas while you thought she was visiting her Mom, and, after the divorce, YOU have to pay 18 years of child support for the twins she was carrying that he had fathered when he legally married YOU and her.
And, and, and . . .
Legal polygamy would be a legal nightmare.
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: gevorg
Supporting gay marriage, while not supporting polygamy is a great example of double-standards.
No, it's not. And while we're on the subject of polygamy and double standards, why has no one mentioned a wife having multiple husbands? Unless I missed it to this point in the thread I have seen only mention of husbands having a harem of wives.
Edit: And like 2 posts later it's mentioned. Doh!
Yes, it is a double standard. Please make an argument against Polygamy that could not be used against gay marriage, so far, I haven't seen one.
Personally, I'm with Bobberfett on this one, I don't care about either, do whatever you want.
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: spidey07
The trend IS NOT toward legalizing gay marriage. In fact the trend is strongly against it. It is your very question as to why the trend is strongly against gay marriage as that line of thinking leads to marrying whatever the hell you want. That is wrong. So very, very wrong.
Polygamy, gay marriage, having kids out of wedlock are all the same - they are wrong. Do not allow this behavior or line of thinking.
The facts would disagree with you. In California, for example, proposition 22 was passed in 2000 to define marriage as one man and one woman by 61.4% of the popular vote. Being unconstitutional, and NOT a constitutional amendment, the supreme court in California overturned it. Proposition 8, which is identical to proposition 22 except for the fact that it's an amendment (and NOT subject to the supreme court's decision), just passed with 52.5% of the vote.
In other words, in 8 years, support for making same sex marriage illegal, at least in California, decreased by about 9%. Your claim about the trend against gay marriage is not backed up by the facts, which directly refute what you just said. In fact, based on the current rate of decrease in support, it's a reasonable assumption that if the question of gay marriage is put before Californians again in 2012, they will legalize it. While I'm sure you'll be among the last converts, support for gay marriage is growing, and your opposition to it will be the minority opinion pretty soon.
Rainsford,
You're talking about California. A single state. Before I get attacked further here is my position:
1) I don't care what one does and exercising their freedom and liberty without persecution or prosecution. That is liberty.
2) I DO care about marriage and what it means to me, and that's probably the rub.
3) Marriage is a union to raise children - more rub there as that is my view and belief. If society could stick to this simple concept..
I'm pro-choice, pro-dowhateverthehell you want. But marriage is a promise to birth and raise children. That is what it means to me and I'm sure many disagree with that.
Originally posted by: between
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Given the poll results it looks like there's a double-standard here for a lot of pro-gay marriage supporters. I'm not buying the arguments that try to distinguish the two.
I don't like the idea of polygamy, but then again I don't like the idea of gay marriage either. But that's not enough to say others can't do it if they want to. If gays can marry each other, there's no reason Mormons can't be polygamous.
your confusion stems from your poor/dim understanding of the legal argument for gay marriage, which is based on the idea that all citizens should have equal rights before the law. i.e., straight people are able to marry, therefore gay people should be able to do that too. you can't make an equivalent, equality-based legal argument for polygamy, because the rules against polygamous marriage apply to everyone. There are also restrictions relating to age (e.g., people can't marry until they are older than a certain age). these are arbitrary lines in the sand that have been written into law. you can argue against them, but the argument will not be based around equal protection or legal equality.
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Rename marraige to union or some other word and let people live with who they want.
If some man is crazy enough to have 10 wives then let him, after a proper psych exam.
If two women or two men want to shack up more power to them.
All this sanctity of marraige stuff makes me ill. There is nothing sacred about it anymore. Vegas has proven that .![]()
