do you think it will be possible to become an alchemist?

Ruptga

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Aug 3, 2006
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With the right laser and enough free time, you could change lead to gold today.
 

dighn

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Aug 12, 2001
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at least there are theoretical foundations and experimental examples for this, unlike faster than light travel. it's very slow and expensive though and i imagine it would remain so for a very long time.
 

Red Squirrel

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IBM made a movie using nothing but atoms. If manipulating atoms at this level is possible I imagine creating molecules is. I guess the question is, how to make it efficient and fast.

There may possibly be a faster process we just have to discover. For example you can convert water into hydrogen and oxygen using electrolysis. Very easy to do. Perhaps there is a process to create by products, one of them being gold. Figure that out, and we're golden. Literally.
 

KK

Lifer
Jan 2, 2001
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there is only one alchemist, and thats all the awesomeness this world can handle.
 

disappoint

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Dec 7, 2009
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IBM made a movie using nothing but atoms. If manipulating atoms at this level is possible I imagine creating molecules is. I guess the question is, how to make it efficient and fast.

There may possibly be a faster process we just have to discover. For example you can convert water into hydrogen and oxygen using electrolysis. Very easy to do. Perhaps there is a process to create by products, one of them being gold. Figure that out, and we're golden. Literally.

Robots would be able to make it fast. Just automate it.

The question is, will gold still be valuable if it's not rare? What good is it other than a good conductor and reflector and something to hang on your trophy wife? It's a pretty soft metal.
 

dighn

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Aug 12, 2001
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gold and lead are elements and they differ in subatomic structure (number of protons and neutrons) rather than atomic arrangements. you can trigger decay of lead into gold through bombardment by high energy particles.

The question is, will gold still be valuable if it's not rare? What good is it other than a good conductor and reflector and something to hang on your trophy wife? It's a pretty soft metal.

by the time we get economical transmutation (if ever), our economy will probably have a form that's unrecognizable to us now
 
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Red Squirrel

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Yeah the value would definitely start going down. It would most likely be made super illegal to do, too. As far as utility value it would probably serve about the same things as copper, mostly wiring. Even for stuff like bus bars copper is probably better as gold is too soft.

Though I've also heard that banks have been known to "create" gold "on paper". Not sure if it's true, but it would not surprise me.
 
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The cost of making the gold out of other elements vastly outweighs the value of the gold obtained.
 

GagHalfrunt

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The cost of making the gold out of other elements vastly outweighs the value of the gold obtained.

And as soon as it became cheap enough to do it profitably the bottom would drop out of the gold market and it wouldn't be profitable anymore.
 

AdamantC

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What good is it other than a good conductor and reflector and something to hang on your trophy wife? It's a pretty soft metal.

Well gold is heavy, dense, soft, and not particularly toxic. If you could make it cheap enough it might be a nice choice for "green ammunition."
 

TheFamilyMan

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Cost breakdown of actually achieving this hallowed status:

- 120k - this is how much you will have to blindly give over to your mortgage company while they misapply it, therefore sending you into default
- 56k - this is how much you will have to set aside for an aging M3 is the mysterious and, allegedly, extremely rare color of Alpine White. While only 25k of this is actually for the car, you must set aside another 30k for the yearly maintenance costs.
- 30k (est) - this is the amount you will have to set aside to provide for another man's wife and children. This amount includes one (1) Sons of Anarchy t-shirt (your choice on size but previous standard dictates at least 2 sizes too small), one (1) idiotic-looking bandana, and one (1) pair of Top Gun-inspired aviators glasses...mirrored is the preferred option for these.
- 2k/month - this is the amount you will have to spend on clothing. Please keep in mind that the Alchemist's guild does require you keep all receipts to show all the underlings in the world that they can't afford such items on a regular basis.

Also, in addition to the hard costs listed above, you will need to keep something set aside for the 'soft' costs involved in at least 2 divorces...probably want to keep enough for 3 based on past experiences from other Alchemy members.

Please remember that you must always be awesome and epic and let others know they are jelly about it. Also, pervasive usage of the word 'bro' is required in daily interactions with non-members.
 

akahoovy

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May 1, 2011
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Cost breakdown of actually achieving this hallowed status:

- 120k - this is how much you will have to blindly give over to your mortgage company while they misapply it, therefore sending you into default
- 56k - this is how much you will have to set aside for an aging M3 is the mysterious and, allegedly, extremely rare color of Alpine White. While only 25k of this is actually for the car, you must set aside another 30k for the yearly maintenance costs.
- 30k (est) - this is the amount you will have to set aside to provide for another man's wife and children. This amount includes one (1) Sons of Anarchy t-shirt (your choice on size but previous standard dictates at least 2 sizes too small), one (1) idiotic-looking bandana, and one (1) pair of Top Gun-inspired aviators glasses...mirrored is the preferred option for these.
- 2k/month - this is the amount you will have to spend on clothing. Please keep in mind that the Alchemist's guild does require you keep all receipts to show all the underlings in the world that they can't afford such items on a regular basis.

Also, in addition to the hard costs listed above, you will need to keep something set aside for the 'soft' costs involved in at least 2 divorces...probably want to keep enough for 3 based on past experiences from other Alchemy members.

Please remember that you must always be awesome and epic and let others know they are jelly about it. Also, pervasive usage of the word 'bro' is required in daily interactions with non-members.

lol. I mean all of it's funny (and sad?) but that part does make me chuckle.
 

Puppies04

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Apr 25, 2011
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Cost breakdown of actually achieving this hallowed status:

- 120k - this is how much you will have to blindly give over to your mortgage company while they misapply it, therefore sending you into default
- 56k - this is how much you will have to set aside for an aging M3 is the mysterious and, allegedly, extremely rare color of Alpine White. While only 25k of this is actually for the car, you must set aside another 30k for the yearly maintenance costs.
- 30k (est) - this is the amount you will have to set aside to provide for another man's wife and children. This amount includes one (1) Sons of Anarchy t-shirt (your choice on size but previous standard dictates at least 2 sizes too small), one (1) idiotic-looking bandana, and one (1) pair of Top Gun-inspired aviators glasses...mirrored is the preferred option for these.
- 2k/month - this is the amount you will have to spend on clothing. Please keep in mind that the Alchemist's guild does require you keep all receipts to show all the underlings in the world that they can't afford such items on a regular basis.

Also, in addition to the hard costs listed above, you will need to keep something set aside for the 'soft' costs involved in at least 2 divorces...probably want to keep enough for 3 based on past experiences from other Alchemy members.

Please remember that you must always be awesome and epic and let others know they are jelly about it. Also, pervasive usage of the word 'bro' is required in daily interactions with non-members.

Don't forget the $3.10 to spend on crappy furniture which you can claim just looks crappy because of the camera angle.
 

SagaLore

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The replies I just scrolled past make it obvious that almost nobody here understands atoms.


Yes eventually we will be able to produce new atoms using various particle manipulation techniques. By then though, we probably won't need to as we could create exotic structures that will be superior to anything gold would be used for.
 

alkemyst

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Feb 13, 2001
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Cost breakdown of actually achieving this hallowed status:

- 120k - this is how much you will have to blindly give over to your mortgage company while they misapply it, therefore sending you into default
- 56k - this is how much you will have to set aside for an aging M3 is the mysterious and, allegedly, extremely rare color of Alpine White. While only 25k of this is actually for the car, you must set aside another 30k for the yearly maintenance costs.
- 30k (est) - this is the amount you will have to set aside to provide for another man's wife and children. This amount includes one (1) Sons of Anarchy t-shirt (your choice on size but previous standard dictates at least 2 sizes too small), one (1) idiotic-looking bandana, and one (1) pair of Top Gun-inspired aviators glasses...mirrored is the preferred option for these.
- 2k/month - this is the amount you will have to spend on clothing. Please keep in mind that the Alchemist's guild does require you keep all receipts to show all the underlings in the world that they can't afford such items on a regular basis.

Also, in addition to the hard costs listed above, you will need to keep something set aside for the 'soft' costs involved in at least 2 divorces...probably want to keep enough for 3 based on past experiences from other Alchemy members.

Please remember that you must always be awesome and epic and let others know they are jelly about it. Also, pervasive usage of the word 'bro' is required in daily interactions with non-members.

LOL Dude, you went full nutter there.

But yeah, I am sort of awesome like that.
 
Sep 7, 2009
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Cost breakdown of actually achieving this hallowed status:

- 120k - this is how much you will have to blindly give over to your mortgage company while they misapply it, therefore sending you into default
- 56k - this is how much you will have to set aside for an aging M3 is the mysterious and, allegedly, extremely rare color of Alpine White. While only 25k of this is actually for the car, you must set aside another 30k for the yearly maintenance costs.
- 30k (est) - this is the amount you will have to set aside to provide for another man's wife and children. This amount includes one (1) Sons of Anarchy t-shirt (your choice on size but previous standard dictates at least 2 sizes too small), one (1) idiotic-looking bandana, and one (1) pair of Top Gun-inspired aviators glasses...mirrored is the preferred option for these.
- 2k/month - this is the amount you will have to spend on clothing. Please keep in mind that the Alchemist's guild does require you keep all receipts to show all the underlings in the world that they can't afford such items on a regular basis.

Also, in addition to the hard costs listed above, you will need to keep something set aside for the 'soft' costs involved in at least 2 divorces...probably want to keep enough for 3 based on past experiences from other Alchemy members.

Please remember that you must always be awesome and epic and let others know they are jelly about it. Also, pervasive usage of the word 'bro' is required in daily interactions with non-members.


LOL literally laughing out loud here. :thumbsup::thumbsup:
 

Slew Foot

Lifer
Sep 22, 2005
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i asked my friend who works at EA. while they have perfected the art of turning gold to shit, they havent found the opposite.
 

JTsyo

Lifer
Nov 18, 2007
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start with hydrogen and apply fusion until you reach gold. All the gold on Earth was created like this, more so my the supernovas than actual fusion.