Do you think invading Iraq is inevitable?

[Nocturnal]

If we do invade, and say we win and oust Sadaam. What will we do with all the oil Iraq has? I read somewhere that Powel said the US would give all of it to the Iraq people and that the US wouldnt touch it. Is that logically to do? Couldn't we use some of it?

What's your real opinion on this? Are you scared for a possible nuclear war?

I honestly don't think much about it, but as the days go by, I gotta admit, it is in my mind from time to time. What about the economy? Will it shatter to pieces or will the war help the economy?

Why did GW just all of a sudden change from war on terrorism all the way to war on Sadaam? It's weird, why don't we go after Osama? Any thoughts?

 

[wnied]

Do you think invading Iraq is inevitable?

What rock you been living under lately? You notice those 100,000 plus troops in the Gulf region? Those three Aircraft carriers? The mobilization of 50,000 plus reservists? What the hell makes you think for one IODA that war ISNT going to happen? You realize how much it costs to move all that? Let alone keep it in one region for a period of time?

We're going to war, its written whether Anyone wants to or not.
I say February 16th.
~wnied~

 

[JellyBaby]

You notice those 100,000 plus troops in the Gulf region? Those three Aircraft carriers? The mobilization of 50,000 plus reservists?

It's rare to set out all those Army Men on the table and not instigate a battle.

Inevitable? Seems Bush wants it pretty bad. Unavoidable? No but who's gonna stop it?

 

[Harvey]

It may be necessary, but Bush hasn't made the case to us. He claims to have the proof. Let's see it. If he invades without doing that, he should be impeached. :disgust:

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: Harvey
It may be necessary, but Bush hasn't made the case to us. He claims to have the proof. Let's see it. If he invades without doing that, he should be impeached. :disgust:

Won't he need congressional approval before starting a war with Iraq? And if the congress approves (likely due to the Republican majority), how the hell are you gonna impeach him? You've to impeach all the senators also ?

 

[Zebo]

YES during spring.

As for the economy historically when you increase deficit spending to fund wars inflation goes up and unemployment goes down. Is that good I don't know. But I'd buy a house now and get all variable rates locked in.

 

[zoiks]

If I remember my Political Science classes at school, Bush can deploy troops being in the executive branch. In order to declare war, bush needs support from congress. Though I could be wrong.

 

[FrontlineWarrior]

congress already passed their power over to the pres a few months ago. not sure if that was for terror or for iraq, but if iraq is linked with terror then it doesn't matter. stupid congressmen.

 

[Nocturnal]

Does anyone think he is just trying to carry on what his father never finished?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: zoiks
If I remember my Political Science classes at school, Bush can deploy troops being in the executive branch. In order to declare war, bush needs support from congress. Though I could be wrong.

We don't really declare wars anymore. They are called Conflicts. Why? Legalities I guess.

 

[Darien]

With so many resources going to the region (manpower, aircraft carriers, etc), it'll probably happen.

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: zoiks
If I remember my Political Science classes at school, Bush can deploy troops being in the executive branch. In order to declare war, bush needs support from congress. Though I could be wrong.

Congress has already passed the Iraqi Liberation Act. It was passed in October of 2002. It requires Pres. Bush to report to Congress every 60 days.

Sen. John McCain

Nocturnal

Does anyone think he is just trying to carry on what his father never finished?

No, and I think that is a rather stupid suggestion.

 

[JellyBaby]

Originally posted by: FrontlineWarrior
congress already passed their power over to the pres a few months ago. not sure if that was for terror or for iraq, but if iraq is linked with terror then it doesn't matter. stupid congressmen.

Yep you could write your congressfolk until your #2 pencil is down to the rubber and it will have no meaning because Congress shamefully transferred the war power to the executive. But few care about insignificant details like the constitution these days. The oil justifies the means.

 

[Double Trouble]

<<Does anyone think he is just trying to carry on what his father never finished?>>

Yes, among other things..... Bush wants the war because of a few things: safe and stable oil supply (what could be safer and more stable than a US controlled Iraq to produce oil?), allowing US companies to share in the oil deals that under Saddam were reserved for just the French and Russian companies, finishing the job his father did not, removing the possibility of Israel getting attacked with nukes or chemical/biological weapons, freeing the Iraqi people, and finally to draw attention away from the local economy. I'm not sure in what proportion all these play a part in it though. If you ask Bush, it's all about the WMD and Iraqi people. If you ask anyone outside the US, it's all about the other factors I listed. The truth probably lies somewhere in between.

The way I see it, war is not "inevitable", but Bush and the administration made up their mind sometime last year that they were going to war with Iraq. Everything since then has just been aimed at gathering support and getting everything in place. Now that everything is ready to roll, it's only a matter of time. Whenever the weather is good, the attack will begin. I'm thinking late February.

 

[JellyBaby]

tagej, oddly but understandable you forgot to mention that the war will eliminate the grave threat Iraq possess to U.S. security.

As for timing, I have a gut feeling the Iraq thing was pre-planned before Bush's inauguration and would have occured sans 9/11.

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: tagej
<<Does anyone think he is just trying to carry on what his father never finished?>>

Yes, among other things..... Bush wants the war because of a few things: safe and stable oil supply (what could be safer and more stable than a US controlled Iraq to produce oil?), allowing US companies to share in the oil deals that under Saddam were reserved for just the French and Russian companies, finishing the job his father did not, removing the possibility of Israel getting attacked with nukes or chemical/biological weapons, freeing the Iraqi people, and finally to draw attention away from the local economy. I'm not sure in what proportion all these play a part in it though. If you ask Bush, it's all about the WMD and Iraqi people. If you ask anyone outside the US, it's all about the other factors I listed. The truth probably lies somewhere in between.

The way I see it, war is not "inevitable", but Bush and the administration made up their mind sometime last year that they were going to war with Iraq. Everything since then has just been aimed at gathering support and getting everything in place. Now that everything is ready to roll, it's only a matter of time. Whenever the weather is good, the attack will begin. I'm thinking late February.

Very eloquent for somebody who doesn't know what he's talking about.

If it was about oil we would occupy Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Ooops, we already occupy them. It must not be about the oil then.

 

[Zim Hosein]

Originally posted by: JellyBaby
tagej, oddly but understandable you forgot to mention that the war will eliminate the grave threat Iraq possess to U.S. security.

As for timing, I have a gut feeling the Iraq thing was pre-planned before Bush's inauguration and would have occured sans 9/11.

JellyBaby, if Iraq is next on the list of countries that is a grave threat to our national security, where do think Saudi Arabia is on that list? Just curious to know what you think.

 

[Zim Hosein]

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: tagej
<<Does anyone think he is just trying to carry on what his father never finished?>>

Yes, among other things..... Bush wants the war because of a few things: safe and stable oil supply (what could be safer and more stable than a US controlled Iraq to produce oil?), allowing US companies to share in the oil deals that under Saddam were reserved for just the French and Russian companies, finishing the job his father did not, removing the possibility of Israel getting attacked with nukes or chemical/biological weapons, freeing the Iraqi people, and finally to draw attention away from the local economy. I'm not sure in what proportion all these play a part in it though. If you ask Bush, it's all about the WMD and Iraqi people. If you ask anyone outside the US, it's all about the other factors I listed. The truth probably lies somewhere in between.

The way I see it, war is not "inevitable", but Bush and the administration made up their mind sometime last year that they were going to war with Iraq. Everything since then has just been aimed at gathering support and getting everything in place. Now that everything is ready to roll, it's only a matter of time. Whenever the weather is good, the attack will begin. I'm thinking late February.

Very eloquent for somebody who doesn't know what he's talking about.

If it was about oil we would occupy Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Ooops, we already occupy them. It must not be about the oil then.

HappyPuppy, I know we have a presence in Kuwait, but do we really occupy Saudi Arabia?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: tagej
<<Does anyone think he is just trying to carry on what his father never finished?>>

Yes, among other things..... Bush wants the war because of a few things: safe and stable oil supply (what could be safer and more stable than a US controlled Iraq to produce oil?), allowing US companies to share in the oil deals that under Saddam were reserved for just the French and Russian companies, finishing the job his father did not, removing the possibility of Israel getting attacked with nukes or chemical/biological weapons, freeing the Iraqi people, and finally to draw attention away from the local economy. I'm not sure in what proportion all these play a part in it though. If you ask Bush, it's all about the WMD and Iraqi people. If you ask anyone outside the US, it's all about the other factors I listed. The truth probably lies somewhere in between.

The way I see it, war is not "inevitable", but Bush and the administration made up their mind sometime last year that they were going to war with Iraq. Everything since then has just been aimed at gathering support and getting everything in place. Now that everything is ready to roll, it's only a matter of time. Whenever the weather is good, the attack will begin. I'm thinking late February.

Very eloquent for somebody who doesn't know what he's talking about.

If it was about oil we would occupy Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Ooops, we already occupy them. It must not be about the oil then.

HappyPuppy, I know we have a presence in Kuwait, but do we really occupy Saudi Arabia?

We have a couple large bases there and saudi really has no military to speak of.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal

Why did GW just all of a sudden change from war on terrorism all the way to war on Sadaam? It's weird, why don't we go after Osama? Any thoughts?

The war on terror is still being fought it just doesn't have the front page headlines like Iraq does. Actually, the war on terror is probably the most "multilateral" thing this administration has going. The UK busted some terrorists with a chemical weapon. Italy just rounded up some suspected terrorists. And the US is still operating in Afghanistan fighting Taliban and Al Qaeda while trying to support a new democratic government there. Supporting a new government is probably the most difficult since Afghanistan was never really a country to begin with beyond lines drawn on a map. Nothing but a bunch of rival warlords mainly.

 

[Zim Hosein]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: tagej
<<Does anyone think he is just trying to carry on what his father never finished?>>

Yes, among other things..... Bush wants the war because of a few things: safe and stable oil supply (what could be safer and more stable than a US controlled Iraq to produce oil?), allowing US companies to share in the oil deals that under Saddam were reserved for just the French and Russian companies, finishing the job his father did not, removing the possibility of Israel getting attacked with nukes or chemical/biological weapons, freeing the Iraqi people, and finally to draw attention away from the local economy. I'm not sure in what proportion all these play a part in it though. If you ask Bush, it's all about the WMD and Iraqi people. If you ask anyone outside the US, it's all about the other factors I listed. The truth probably lies somewhere in between.

The way I see it, war is not "inevitable", but Bush and the administration made up their mind sometime last year that they were going to war with Iraq. Everything since then has just been aimed at gathering support and getting everything in place. Now that everything is ready to roll, it's only a matter of time. Whenever the weather is good, the attack will begin. I'm thinking late February.

Very eloquent for somebody who doesn't know what he's talking about.

If it was about oil we would occupy Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Ooops, we already occupy them. It must not be about the oil then.

HappyPuppy, I know we have a presence in Kuwait, but do we really occupy Saudi Arabia?

We have a couple large bases there and saudi really has no military to speak of.

I know about the bases, but IIRC they said we couldn't use their airfields to launch a war against Iraq right? If that's the case, it's them calling the shots not us correct? Damn I'm

 

[KMurphy]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: tagej
<<Does anyone think he is just trying to carry on what his father never finished?>>

Yes, among other things..... Bush wants the war because of a few things: safe and stable oil supply (what could be safer and more stable than a US controlled Iraq to produce oil?), allowing US companies to share in the oil deals that under Saddam were reserved for just the French and Russian companies, finishing the job his father did not, removing the possibility of Israel getting attacked with nukes or chemical/biological weapons, freeing the Iraqi people, and finally to draw attention away from the local economy. I'm not sure in what proportion all these play a part in it though. If you ask Bush, it's all about the WMD and Iraqi people. If you ask anyone outside the US, it's all about the other factors I listed. The truth probably lies somewhere in between.

The way I see it, war is not "inevitable", but Bush and the administration made up their mind sometime last year that they were going to war with Iraq. Everything since then has just been aimed at gathering support and getting everything in place. Now that everything is ready to roll, it's only a matter of time. Whenever the weather is good, the attack will begin. I'm thinking late February.

Very eloquent for somebody who doesn't know what he's talking about.

If it was about oil we would occupy Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Ooops, we already occupy them. It must not be about the oil then.

HappyPuppy, I know we have a presence in Kuwait, but do we really occupy Saudi Arabia?

Yes we do. The locals don't much like it, but the royals like the protection.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Originally posted by: HappyPuppy

Originally posted by: tagej
<<Does anyone think he is just trying to carry on what his father never finished?>>

Yes, among other things..... Bush wants the war because of a few things: safe and stable oil supply (what could be safer and more stable than a US controlled Iraq to produce oil?), allowing US companies to share in the oil deals that under Saddam were reserved for just the French and Russian companies, finishing the job his father did not, removing the possibility of Israel getting attacked with nukes or chemical/biological weapons, freeing the Iraqi people, and finally to draw attention away from the local economy. I'm not sure in what proportion all these play a part in it though. If you ask Bush, it's all about the WMD and Iraqi people. If you ask anyone outside the US, it's all about the other factors I listed. The truth probably lies somewhere in between.

The way I see it, war is not "inevitable", but Bush and the administration made up their mind sometime last year that they were going to war with Iraq. Everything since then has just been aimed at gathering support and getting everything in place. Now that everything is ready to roll, it's only a matter of time. Whenever the weather is good, the attack will begin. I'm thinking late February.

Very eloquent for somebody who doesn't know what he's talking about.

If it was about oil we would occupy Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Ooops, we already occupy them. It must not be about the oil then.

HappyPuppy, I know we have a presence in Kuwait, but do we really occupy Saudi Arabia?

We have a couple large bases there and saudi really has no military to speak of.

I know about the bases, but IIRC they said we couldn't use their airfields to launch a war against Iraq right? If that's the case, it's them calling the shots not us correct? Damn I'm

Because we have to ask for permission to use it. Simple as that.

 

[DoNotDisturb]

yes. they wouldn't be mobilizing troops if it wasn't. What are those 250,000 men going to do? be a lookout?

 

[rufruf44]

I thought the Saudi's Royal Prince hates the US troops in there, and as soon as Fahd passed on, he;ll demand US to pull out the existing troops ?