There's nothing out there geared for the (semi)intelligent people on TV or in the theatres. I haven't been to a movie since March and watch almost no TV anymore because of the lack of quality. I don't mind it because my brain works better now but how do we get everyone else to see the light? BTW TLC, Discovery Channel, and the Simpsons are still cool though. Everything else is crap. Just a thought....Matt
Do you think Holloywood producers just laugh at what idiots people are?
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word. that's about all i watch on tv as well.
producers have spent so much time analyzing and adapting shows to what they THINK people want that they have forgotten what people ACTUALLY want
i haven't seen a movie in the theatres in months either...and i really don't miss it.
basically, if a movie is interesting, i rent the dvd and then buy the dvd..works for me
producers have spent so much time analyzing and adapting shows to what they THINK people want that they have forgotten what people ACTUALLY want
i haven't seen a movie in the theatres in months either...and i really don't miss it.
basically, if a movie is interesting, i rent the dvd and then buy the dvd..works for me
<< Do you think Holloywood producers just laugh at what idiots people are? >>
Yup!!
So do the people who came up with 'Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles' and 'Pokeman'.
there are good movies out there, you just have to go away from the big theatres to see them.
1. momento
2. requiem for a dream
3. the emporer and the assassin
4. way downtown
5. amores perros
6. the circle
just to name a few.
*kat. <-- likes movies
1. momento
2. requiem for a dream
3. the emporer and the assassin
4. way downtown
5. amores perros
6. the circle
just to name a few.
*kat. <-- likes movies
what eakers said, you and most everyone else don't look hard enough.. is why less of these movies get made
Its YOUR FAULT!
and yes producers are laughing when they make crap like pearl harbor.. pg-13 war movie romance bs.
Its YOUR FAULT! and yes producers are laughing when they make crap like pearl harbor.. pg-13 war movie romance bs.Don't get me wrong because there are a few good movies out ther: Quills,Shadow of the Vampire,Crouching Tiger, Evil Dead 2. MOST(99%) out there are just crap and I have to listen to people talk about how great they are. Example: in Braveheart at the Battle of Sterling Bridge they forgot the bridge because they mercilessly slaughtered the English during that battle whenever they tried to get off the bridge. Hollywood changed history to suit its needs and I find that annoying as hell!
Q: Do you think Holloywood producers just laugh at what idiots people are?
A: Yes, all the way to the bank. There's huge profits in the dumbing down of America.
A: Yes, all the way to the bank. There's huge profits in the dumbing down of America.
Discovery Channel, National Geographic Channel, CNN and EuroNews. That's about all I watch. Movies don't interest me. Especially not movies about historical events with 'romance' in them (Titanic and Pearl Harbor) :disgust:
The last movie I've seen was 'The Shining'.
The last movie I've seen was 'The Shining'.
You guys are pretty rediculous when it comes to this subject and I'm often amused by the ignorance. First of all, yes, there are a lot of "low quality" movies out there that get made. I read things in this thread such as the fact that Hollywood "dumbs down America" and makes movies that they "THINK people want to watch." I would say on the average weekend that about $100 million dollars is made by the major studios that release these movies. Sometimes, $40 and $50 million by one, single movie. To me, that means people are going to see these movies because they WANT TO. They aren't the only movies out there. There are your so called "higher quality" movies out there, but these people choose to see these big Hollywood blockbusters. Why? Well, regardless of what you think of the movies, they are entertaining to most people. I think most of you don't realize that a lot of your "higher quality" movies are at least distributed by, and sometimes even made by, these Hollywood demons.
Second, I'd like to see you guys come out here and try to make at least 80% of movies high quality. I'd like to see you guys write wonderful scripts and have fantastic directions. I'd like to see the editing flawless and the cinematography beautiful. If you guys can do that for 80% of the movies that are being made, you're all in the wrong business.
I think because movies are made to entertain, much like sports is, people forget what goes into making them. Movies AREN'T easy to make. They are huge projects hiring hundreds of people and anything can go wrong does.
Why doesn't anyone complain about music? I generally hear that most movies out there are crap and why can't the studios make better movies? I would say that there's probably 2x as much crappy music out there than there are crappy movies. Throughout time people have been making crappy music. I'm sure even in the days of Mozart and Beethoven, someone, somewhere was doing the same thing but really poorly. Movies are kind of the same way. While there's a lot of crap out there, there are also a lot of good movies, you just have to find them. Maybe the record companies are releasing what the people want and not what they think that want. Yeah, right.
People come down on Hollywood like it's the anti-christ and is just there to make people stupid and they their money. Do you really think the directors and producers are sitting in some room wondering how they can make the American public as dumb as possible? If so, get over yourself because they aren't. Or do I think that they are laughing at what idiots people are? No, I don't. Mainly because they are there to take a script and make it as good as can be with the money alloted to them. They may know they aren't the best movies, but are they to turn them down? Are they to not make money because the script isn't all that great and the movie will be "low quality"? If that were the case, there'd be more broke producers than what are here now. I'd like to see you guys turn down $50+ thousand dollars along with whatever back-end deals they have with the film. If that movie makes $100 million in the domestic box office, they'll make a good amount of money.
You guys need to come off of your intellectual high horses and remember that movies, music and sports are all made for entertainment. They are three of the biggest industries in this country. They aren't going away. You guys can maybe write a letter telling the heads of the studios what kind of movies you'd like to see and then their secretaries can toss them into their circular files or you can just continue to not go. I'm sure they don't miss your $9 all that much. They have their 15 million+ other people who do want to their movies. You should really learn more about a subject before comdemning it.
Second, I'd like to see you guys come out here and try to make at least 80% of movies high quality. I'd like to see you guys write wonderful scripts and have fantastic directions. I'd like to see the editing flawless and the cinematography beautiful. If you guys can do that for 80% of the movies that are being made, you're all in the wrong business.
I think because movies are made to entertain, much like sports is, people forget what goes into making them. Movies AREN'T easy to make. They are huge projects hiring hundreds of people and anything can go wrong does.
Why doesn't anyone complain about music? I generally hear that most movies out there are crap and why can't the studios make better movies? I would say that there's probably 2x as much crappy music out there than there are crappy movies. Throughout time people have been making crappy music. I'm sure even in the days of Mozart and Beethoven, someone, somewhere was doing the same thing but really poorly. Movies are kind of the same way. While there's a lot of crap out there, there are also a lot of good movies, you just have to find them. Maybe the record companies are releasing what the people want and not what they think that want. Yeah, right.
People come down on Hollywood like it's the anti-christ and is just there to make people stupid and they their money. Do you really think the directors and producers are sitting in some room wondering how they can make the American public as dumb as possible? If so, get over yourself because they aren't. Or do I think that they are laughing at what idiots people are? No, I don't. Mainly because they are there to take a script and make it as good as can be with the money alloted to them. They may know they aren't the best movies, but are they to turn them down? Are they to not make money because the script isn't all that great and the movie will be "low quality"? If that were the case, there'd be more broke producers than what are here now. I'd like to see you guys turn down $50+ thousand dollars along with whatever back-end deals they have with the film. If that movie makes $100 million in the domestic box office, they'll make a good amount of money.
You guys need to come off of your intellectual high horses and remember that movies, music and sports are all made for entertainment. They are three of the biggest industries in this country. They aren't going away. You guys can maybe write a letter telling the heads of the studios what kind of movies you'd like to see and then their secretaries can toss them into their circular files or you can just continue to not go. I'm sure they don't miss your $9 all that much. They have their 15 million+ other people who do want to their movies. You should really learn more about a subject before comdemning it.
They absolutely dumb down America and if movies are so hard to make why are there so many? Entertainment people are a dime a dozen. The problem is that our society revolves around the media moreso than ever before. If you stop to think about what makes you think the way you do you'll see that the media as well as your peers perception of the medias' message are directly responsible. If you actaully read my post I asked how might we draw ourselves away from the mindless things such as TV and movies. BTW unfortunately there are more stupid people than smart just look at the debt problems in this country for instance. Credit card companies aren't sending out apps if no one is using them. I have on for emergencies that has a zero balance. most people I know have huge bills because they live in a society that thinks it needs everything. You'll never guess where they got that idea: THE MEDIA!
As for comlaining about music: I have no idea why you'd think people dont complain about it. Just check this forum alone for a dozen music related threads.
For the lack of quality scripts the problem is that the people smart enough to write them are doing more important things with thier brains and occasionally someone finds a book that deserves to be adapted(Savin Private Ryan, Schindlers List) Its laughable that you think that it is hard to make movies and TV. It takes 400 people to make one because everyone only knows one thing.
When you hit the age of 25 your brain will work better than you ever thought possible and you'll understand what I'm saying.
As for comlaining about music: I have no idea why you'd think people dont complain about it. Just check this forum alone for a dozen music related threads.
For the lack of quality scripts the problem is that the people smart enough to write them are doing more important things with thier brains and occasionally someone finds a book that deserves to be adapted(Savin Private Ryan, Schindlers List) Its laughable that you think that it is hard to make movies and TV. It takes 400 people to make one because everyone only knows one thing.
When you hit the age of 25 your brain will work better than you ever thought possible and you'll understand what I'm saying.
nitrousninja,
We are the media, the media is us. They'll only tell us things we want to be told, they'll only tell us things that the majority of the population wants to be told.
The media reflects how the people in a country think.
We are the media, the media is us. They'll only tell us things we want to be told, they'll only tell us things that the majority of the population wants to be told.
The media reflects how the people in a country think.
<< So do the people who came up with 'Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles' and 'Pokeman'. >>
Actually TMNT was a really good indy comic book before it got raped by corporate america.
As for recent good movies, I would have to agree with EAKERS about requiem for a dream, if you haven't seen it do so now.
Personally I don't think the producers laugh at us because they know that type of garbage is what most people want to see in a movie. Unfortunately, most of the "movie going" public like horrible movies. For example, for his B-day my stepdad want "twister" on DVD.
...nuff said
<< Second, I'd like to see you guys come out here and try to make at least 80% of movies high quality. I'd like to see you guys write wonderful scripts and have fantastic directions. I'd like to see the editing flawless and the cinematography beautiful. If you guys can do that for 80% of the movies that are being made, you're all in the wrong business. >>
You seem to think that movie studies always start out trying to make engaging, smart, challenging movies with beautiful cinematography and strong characterization, and somehow, some portion of these movies fall short of their goals. If that were the case, none of us would be complaining. At least they would be making an effort.
The way things are, movie studios are on a mission to stuff as many crap, pot, testicle, semen and midget jokes as they can into every movie they release. They try to appeal to such base instincts that one wonders if they're parodying themselves. But no, what they're doing is catering to a public that has become so dumb and tasteless that you can't possibly offend them. They'll come see this mindless slapstick because it beats the alternatives: Reading a book, or talking to a friend, or horror of horrors, doing something that involves thinking.
Making movies is what I do. I do it for a living. I do take offense, though, when people feel it's easy work. Granted entertainment people are a dime a dozen, but the ones who can truly be successful at it aren't. Writing an original script is just as hard as writing an original book. I feel that you are very ignorant in the ways that movies are made. Yes, it takes hundreds of people to make a movie because they are all specialized. How is that different from ANY other company? If everyone knew how to do everything equal to everyone in the company, why would someone be at the level they are at? Everyone has different skills and talents. Some are technical and some are creative. The reason so many are made is because there A LOT of people making them. Yet another ignorant remark that has nothing to back it up and is a lame response.
I do not think the way I do because of the media. I'm very much a free thinker and don't respond to people forcing ideas down my mouth. I just really get annoyed when people think because it's entertainment and not curing cancer, it's automatically not important or the people that create it are evil and need to find something else to do with their lives.
The lack of quality scripts has nothing to do with smart people doing "more important" things with their brains. Another ignorant comment. Not everyone can cure cancer and not everyone can help the homeless. While these are important jobs, why is it that when someone does something creative for a living, you deem it unimportant? We can't all save society, because then there's not a society that needs saving.
I'm also offended by the age of 25 remark. I think you need to open your mind a little bit about this subject and DO SOME RESEARCH before you put down an entire industry. I would think that with old age comes a little wisdom. Educate yourself on a subject before speaking such things about it. You have no clue what goes into making a movie, nor do you have any idea how difficult it is. If you'd like me to start you off on research, watch "Hearts of Darkness". It's a documentary on the making of Apocalypse now. It'll at least show you what goes on when trying to make a very difficult film.
You should really open your eyes to what goes on in the entertainment industry instead of spouting off ignorant and unwarranted comments about it. If you actually have something intelligent to say in repsonse to my comments, they are welcome. Don't come back to me with things like they do it because the smarter people are doing more important things or that they take hundreds of people to make movies because everyone only knows one thing. They are pointless and aren't much of an argument. So, if you have something to back up your ideas and comments, I would like to hear them. If not, please don't PM me with them.
I do not think the way I do because of the media. I'm very much a free thinker and don't respond to people forcing ideas down my mouth. I just really get annoyed when people think because it's entertainment and not curing cancer, it's automatically not important or the people that create it are evil and need to find something else to do with their lives.
The lack of quality scripts has nothing to do with smart people doing "more important" things with their brains. Another ignorant comment. Not everyone can cure cancer and not everyone can help the homeless. While these are important jobs, why is it that when someone does something creative for a living, you deem it unimportant? We can't all save society, because then there's not a society that needs saving.
I'm also offended by the age of 25 remark. I think you need to open your mind a little bit about this subject and DO SOME RESEARCH before you put down an entire industry. I would think that with old age comes a little wisdom. Educate yourself on a subject before speaking such things about it. You have no clue what goes into making a movie, nor do you have any idea how difficult it is. If you'd like me to start you off on research, watch "Hearts of Darkness". It's a documentary on the making of Apocalypse now. It'll at least show you what goes on when trying to make a very difficult film.
You should really open your eyes to what goes on in the entertainment industry instead of spouting off ignorant and unwarranted comments about it. If you actually have something intelligent to say in repsonse to my comments, they are welcome. Don't come back to me with things like they do it because the smarter people are doing more important things or that they take hundreds of people to make movies because everyone only knows one thing. They are pointless and aren't much of an argument. So, if you have something to back up your ideas and comments, I would like to hear them. If not, please don't PM me with them.
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<< Second, I'd like to see you guys come out here and try to make at least 80% of movies high quality. I'd like to see you guys write wonderful scripts and have fantastic directions. I'd like to see the editing flawless and the cinematography beautiful. If you guys can do that for 80% of the movies that are being made, you're all in the wrong business. >>
You seem to think that movie studies always start out trying to make engaging, smart, challenging movies with beautiful cinematography and strong characterization, and somehow, some portion of these movies fall short of their goals. If that were the case, none of us would be complaining. At least they would be making an effort.
The way things are, movie studios are on a mission to stuff as many crap, pot, testicle, semen and midget jokes as they can into every movie they release. They try to appeal to such base instincts that one wonders if they're parodying themselves. But no, what they're doing is catering to a public that has become so dumb and tasteless that you can't possibly offend them. They'll come see this mindless slapstick because it beats the alternatives: Reading a book, or talking to a friend, or horror of horrors, doing something that involves thinking. >>
You may have read too much into what I wrote in that quote. I'm saying that it's what people in this thread have stated that they want from a VERY high percentage of movies being made. The comment you quoted was just to say that if you guys can do better and make that percentage of quality, then you should do it and you will see how hard it actually is.
Nobody here said anything about making movies.The intent is to state how the current crop of films are catered to the unintelligent masses that flock to see this garbage.*cough* Showgirls *cough* But as I stated before you can make as many films as you want nobodys stopping you from doing it but you'll never get a dime out of me.
<< Nobody here said anything about making movies.The intent is to state how the current crop of films are catered to the unintelligent masses that flock to see this garbage.*cough* Showgirls *cough* But as I stated before you can make as many films as you want nobodys stopping you from doing it but you'll never get a dime out of me. >>
And that's fine, don't spend your money...but until the mass of this country is intelligent, the unintelligent will be catered to. It's the way it goes.
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