Do you think AT P&N has had Russian disinformation troll postings?

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Do you think AT P&N has had Russian disinformation troll postings?

  • Yes, occasional "post and ghost" threads or replies likely from Russian disinformation bots

    Votes: 20 42.6%
  • Yes, content generated by human Russian disinformation spreaders, actively engages other users

    Votes: 30 63.8%
  • No

    Votes: 7 14.9%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 4 8.5%

  • Total voters
    47
Dec 10, 2005
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It's not like there's a shortage of staff at the troll farms, and it's not as if they need to spend any particular time or effort here.
Exactly. A lower volume place like this just needs to have one person that also trolls multiple other sites at the same time. It's not like conversation is flying here. It would be a real, low effort thing to troll these forums as a foreign operative that's part of a larger, dedicated disinformation unit.

I'm not saying that there is definitely someone here doing that, but it's not inconceivable.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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Grasshopper might just have a double dose of whatever greenman is rocking.
 

Moonbeam

Elite Member
Nov 24, 1999
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I am always rather amazed by people wondering about others this way. What difference does it make if a person supports trump out of deluded belief or is so lacking in self worth they would take money to lie. In either case we are dealing with damaged human beings for whom we should feel some pity and empathy. It is childhood trauma that destroys real self respect and who gets zapped worse than others is all just a matter of chance. Had we different lives who can say what we would be saying in our posts. Rather than contempt for the unfortunate shouldn't we feel gratitude if we still have a tenuous grasp on reality. There is always the hope in most that sick people can heal.

Isn't it obvious that you don't try to beat ill people back to health but that you treat them with care?

Where oppression exists even the bird dies in the nest. A saying
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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I am always rather amazed by people wondering about others this way. What difference does it make if a person supports trump out of deluded belief or is so lacking in self worth they would take money to lie. In either case we are dealing with damaged human beings for whom we should feel some pity and empathy. It is childhood trauma that destroys real self respect and who gets zapped worse than others is all just a matter of chance. Had we different lives who can say what we would be saying in our posts. Rather than contempt for the unfortunate shouldn't we feel gratitude if we still have a tenuous grasp on reality. There is always the hope in most that sick people can heal.

Isn't it obvious that you don't try to beat ill people back to health but that you treat them with care?

Where oppression exists even the bird dies in the nest. A saying
How you approach someone who says things because they are misguided is different than how you approach someone who is deliberately lying to you. One person has the presumption of good faith and the other doesn't.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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This place does seem to have weirdly good SEO, or at least, used to, things may have changed after the latest enshittification of Google results.
 
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Jaskalas

Lifer
Jun 23, 2004
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Isn't it obvious that you don't try to beat ill people back to health but that you treat them with care?
To treat them with care, one must first beat them to seize power over them.
For 99.9% of the cases, healing was never going to be voluntarily accepted by them.
 

Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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How you approach someone who says things because they are misguided is different than how you approach someone who is pdeliberately lying to you. One person has the presumption of good faith and the other doesn't.
It’s very normal to think that way. But the way I look at it is that ignorance and deceptive behavior are motivated by the same need, a need not to feel deep inner pain. Wherever there is suppressed inner pain there is guilt, remorse, and rage. Depending on individual circumstance and degree, one person may successfully function behind a socially approved ego and another not so much. The degree here will determine variations in a satisfaction with self deception and a life devoted to revenge.

What is normal to describe or classify as different levels of deplorability, all have at root the the degree to which a person manifests externally inculcated self hate.

One would certainly be wise to approach each differently in terms of threat analysis but that so easily transforms into different levels of contempt. The level of contempt we have of others, how deplorable we judge them to be is based on how we ourselves were treated, how deplorable we were made to feel.
 

Moonbeam

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Nov 24, 1999
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To treat them with care, one must first beat them to seize power over them.
For 99.9% of the cases, healing was never going to be voluntarily accepted by them.
Perhaps you didn't catch that I was talking about people who are physically ill. You go to the doctor because you expect care not to be beaten. What you fail to understand because you don't know yourself is that you can somehow cure mental illness that is the result of childhood trauma by subjecting them to more of it. You think this way because your ego is your defense against self introspection, the way you repress your past, what you think of as being mentally healthy, the condition you adopted to avoid further traumatic experience. You suffer Stockholm Syndrome and think the cure for it is to beat others like you were beaten. This is the paradox of being nuts. Beat the mentally ill down before they explode with everything you fear will explode in you if you were to see how you really feel. You have everything upside down inside out and backwards. You are a member of the tribe of the conformed railing against tribalism. Been there done that, sorry, it empty of the joy of being, and still fall into it regularly.
 

kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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It's adorable that some of you think this place is important enough to warrant our own Russian troll.

They support Russian interests with disinformation efforts, go where those interests are discussed in public forums, this shouldn't surprise you. But then, you're the guy who still thought Czechoslovakia was still a thing IIRC, still support a traitor and insurrectionist and deny his Russian connections. Keeping current isn't your thing, clearly.

If you'd like several examples of how wrong you are, go to the Russian invasion thread. Put your obtuse head up ass routine on hold and take note of the lurker accounts chiming in. Note all the "us" talk but with at times peculiar English. Somehow they're all very pro Putin/genocide, reciting Kremlin talking points and whataboutisms almost verbatim.

I think it's adorable you think your annotations matter here, when you've already proven yourself an American maga troll many times over. You should catch up on some reading, change that, make an attempt to give up being a rough joke here.
 
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zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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It's adorable that some of you think this place is important enough to warrant our own Russian troll.

It's adorable that you think your brain hasn't already been a wet sponge for GOPropaganda for decades already, and you're just mired in the simplest of disinformation peddling to the point that you no longer even know what you think.

It's absolutely asinine to think that any forum is "too small" to grab the attention of merely one "Agent," among their dozens of their copy-paste assignments. The internet is a big place, but is easy to search. It takes very little effort to move even the tiniest of minds: see mirror.
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
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It's adorable that you think your brain hasn't already been a wet sponge for GOPropaganda for decades already, and you're just mired in the simplest of disinformation peddling to the point that you no longer even know what you think.

It's absolutely asinine to think that any forum is "too small" to grab the attention of merely one "Agent," among their dozens of their copy-paste assignments. The internet is a big place, but is easy to search. It takes very little effort to move even the tiniest of minds: see mirror.
Dude has probably consumed more Russian propaganda than every liberal on this board put together.