Do you think Al-Jezeera will show......

Alistar7

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Do you think Al-Jezeera will show the citizens in Iraq feeling safe enough to PRAY as they wish, some of them for the first time in their lives, as American soldiers guard them from what they fear..

I wish I had videotaped that segment..... anyone else see it?
 

freakflag

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Only if they're praying over dead children.
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Feldenak

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
Do you think Al-Jezeera will show the citizens in Iraq feeling safe enough to PRAY as they wish, some of them for the first time in their lives, as American soldiers guard them from what they fear..

I wish I had videotaped that segment..... anyone else see it?

In a word....no.
 

cracgor

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
sense when did Iraq have laws against people praying?

yeah i thought they prayed too...
but maybe they didn't pray with american soldiers standing behind them with guns before...
yeah i'm sure thats it
 

Grey

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Religion was semi-free in Iraq already, its nothing new for them.
 

Alistar7

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Originally posted by: Grey
Religion was semi-free in Iraq already, its nothing new for them.

my bad, I must have missed you in the segment. Saddam was a secular person, some theorize an athiest. He also played favorites, bad Saddam. Some groups were allowed to pray, some were not. Another example of this is that some would be gassed, some would not.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
Do you think Al-Jezeera will show the citizens in Iraq feeling safe enough to PRAY as they wish, some of them for the first time in their lives, as American soldiers guard them from what they fear..

I wish I had videotaped that segment..... anyone else see it?
I wish you had a LINK. :p

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Alistar7

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watch CNN, pretty sure they will re-run the segment.

Why would you be cynical? What would I gain from making this up?

 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
watch CNN, pretty sure they will re-run the segment.

Why would you be cynical? What would I gain from making this up?
Because of you other posts' conclusions. No idea . . .

I did not say you are lying. No accustion anywhere. No attack.

However, it is POSSIBLE you misunderstood - a report of a report is NOT credible - . . . and I'd (simply) like to see a link.

It has nothing to do with "cynical"; I'd say "gullibility" is the worst mistake.



 

Alistar7

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so sorry to take someone for their word, I guess I can understand how they could have been mistaken or lied about whether or not they have been permiited to pray......
 

Kadarin

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Originally posted by: HappyPuppy
Some people are never going to believe because they are consumed by hatred.

True. Why let facts get in the way of a hard-held opinion?
 

cracgor

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i just want to point out we have a history of mistreating minorities in america (anyone want to hang Andrew Jackson for genocide?). i couldn't care less about the freedom of the people and their civil rights in iraq...if we want to goto war lets do it for oil or protection. lets benefit ourselves.
 

apoppin

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You guys just don't know how to search

IS THIS WHAT YOU MEAN?

It is a sound which has echoed down the centuries but which has not been heard here for 15 years - the wailing call to prayer.

On Friday however, at 0430 (0130 GMT), in the minutes before the desert dawn, the voice of the Imam rang out.

What Saddam's Baath party had forbidden, the British Army had restored.

The townspeople, whose mosque was destroyed years ago, prayed in the privacy of their own homes.


Friday prayer is an important occasion for Muslims

But instead of their worship being a secret and dangerous thing, it was freely performed with new joy.

The 1st Battalion Royal Irish secured a public address system for the Imam and men from their attached Royal, Electrical and Mechanical Engineers installed it on Thursday night in time for Friday prayers.

By next Friday, commanding officer Lt Colonel Tim Collins hopes to have a prayer tent in place so the community can gather for the traditional midday address.

He said: "Banning prayer and denying Muslim people a mosque is simply one more manifestation of the Baath party's evil regime.

"From the moment we began our hearts and minds campaign here its restoration was a top priority.

"From now they will have their call to prayer five times a day - it will no longer be conducted behind closed doors, it will be done openly, as it should be."

Although the Imam was permitted to offer pastoral care, he was not allowed to fulfil his role as their religious leader, leaving the population of 4,000 struggling with the secular ideals of Baath.

On Friday, as dozens of townspeople thronged the alleyway at the back of his shabby terraced home, it was clear they had not forgotten their God.

The return of the call to prayer is perhaps the most significant sign yet that the shanty communities inhabiting the wealthy oilfields of southern Iraq are recovering their equilibrium under occupation by the British Army.

Another is the re-opening of the barber's shop where many officers from the 1st Battalion Royal Irish Regiment are paying 250 dinars (10p) for a trim, which is finished with a cut-throat razor.


Coalition troops have been involved in monitoring prayer occasions

The primary and secondary schools with 40 and 20 pupils apiece, have also opened their doors.

They are flying the Iraqi flag as a symbol of national identity but all pro-Saddam slogans have been painted out by local townspeople and Baath propaganda stripped from the classrooms.

Flatbreads being baked

A new football pitch, volleyball court and schoolyard are to be built for the children by the 1st Royal Irish.

Although none of the food shops has reopened - the traders are trapped in the southern city of Basra - nomadic tomato and onion sellers have returned to the marketplace and flatbreads are being baked.

British troops are banned from spending pounds sterling or US dollars as commanders are determined the local economy should not be undermined by hard currency trading.

We can't play god and enforce our own societal values on people, we need to enable them

Major Andrew Cullen

They have bankrolled the town's first ever bank with £1,000 worth of dinars confiscated from the Baath Party.

It is being used to pay the wages of municipal employees such as teachers and security staff and fund the town clinic which has been re-opened by a fourth year medical student after the doctor fled in the face of the Allied advance.

Next the Army will attempt to conduct a census on the main community which is dominated by oil industry workers, and its attached, much poorer and more rural village where railway workers - nicknamed the Ali Babars by townspeople - live.

Law and order has been restored by the arrival of British Military Police and a regional government created by the formation of a Joint Civil-Military Commission, headed by Royal Irish second in command Major Andrew Cullen.

He said: "The influence of Baath was so great that it had filtered down to the lowest level of society and since we have destroyed Baath we must now help them build a new framework.

"We can't play god and enforce our own societal values on people, we need to enable them."

As well as helping with water and power, attached engineers are assisting with carpentry or plumbing.

They hope that soon residents will be self-sufficient.

The ambition of the townspeople and the Royal Irish is to see the oilfields re-opened and jobs restored.

With the oil will come wealth and with the wealth will come security and stability.

"We are here to see that happens," said Major Cullen.


This is pooled copy from Sarah Oliver of the Mail On Sunday, with the 1st Battalion Royal Irish Regiment in southern Iraq.

If this is it IT'S a CREDIBLE link. :p

See, I am glad to find the facts even for "you". :D


 

Alistar7

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gee thanks for finding concrete evidence of what I saw with my own eyes......

honestly I wasn't really as skeptical as you.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
gee thanks for finding concrete evidence of what I saw with my own eyes......
You're welcome . . .

Google "search" is my favourite . . . IF you have the keywords right.

Now that we have something **CONFIRMED** we can discuss it.

I don't believe this is referring to the country of Iraq as a whole - it IS a Muslim nation. However, as we see from other reports, some Clerics (Iman) - like in this VILLAGE OF 4,000 - are on Saddam's "($)hit list".

Generally, there is "freedom" of religion in Iraq (as long as it supports the Baath Party).
 

Alistar7

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well theres the problem, although not a religous person I have this crazy idea EVERY person should be allowed to pray freely without being persecuted or killed instead of just the ones I agree with.

I'm sure I could have found a link, would not have posted otherwise, if I had not seen and heard it first person I would have looked.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
well theres the problem, although not a religous person I have this crazy idea EVERY person should be allowed to pray freely without being persecuted or killed instead of just the ones I agree with.

I'm sure I could have found a link, would not have posted otherwise, if I had not seen and heard it first person I would have looked.
Well, I am certainly not going to argue with you over this . . . however, IF you post links to back up what you saw, it saves energy and frustration and "flame-type" posts.

I am not arguing for supporting Saddam idea of "religious freedom" . . . I am just pointing out that Muslims GENERALLY can worship Allah unhindered as long as anti-Saddam politics are kept out of it. ;)

And I don't think Al Jezeera will show it even though they are now "back" in Baghdad.

 

Alistar7

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Flames won't change what I saw or any real facts.

Universally is acceptable, "some generally" is not.

you finally addressed the question asked, a simple no would have been sufficent, thank your for your opinion.

Would be very impressed if their Baghdad cameras could reach myself, don't you think a local solution would be more effective?
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Alistar7
Flames won't change what I saw or any real facts.

Universally is acceptable, "some generally" is not.

you finally addressed the question asked, a simple no would have been sufficent, thank your for your opinion.

Would be very impressed if their Baghdad cameras could reach myself, don't you think a local solution would be more effective?
No flames won't change anything but confirmed support tends to make it easier for you (the topic's poster).

And I may not be here to "rescue" you with a link next time.

:D

Opinions, I got plenty . . . a simple 'yes or no' would not have acted as a 'bump' for this thread - if that's all you really wanted, a POLL would have been in order . . . however, I'll drop out now (unless it gets more interesting) . . . aloha.