I bet a majority of Americans would say yes, just like they are supporting the illegal wiretapping going on now. It all depends upon how the question is asked.
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What Todd33 said. And in any case, what is the basis for you suggesting that "the majority of Americans" support illegal wiretapping going on now? The poll zendari posted? Perhaps you should take a closer look at the question being asked, I don't see the words "warrentless" or "illegal" anywhere in there, do you?
Long answer, if the police have enough on a person to suspect them of being a serial killer, then they should easily have enough to get a warrant. Short answer....HELL NO!!
3chordcharlie
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You would think that, but I know (both from media reports, and from knowing personally the chief of police in Toronto) that police frequently know who commited 'unsolved' crimes, but since they don't know this through admissable channels, the suspect remains untouchable. This is a common problem in gang-related violent crime; the same could happen with serial killings, though it likely isn't as prevalent (not as many witnesses afraid to speak).
Edit: Forgot to say what I think! Despite what I wrote above, I absolutely do not support warrantless searches. Some people love to take the perspective that civil rights protect the guilty; this is not an accurate assessment; civil rights protect everyone, innocent or guilty, and the reason for creating a demanding process to suspend those rights ('warrants', 'arrest', etc) has nothing to do with guilt or innocence, and is worth defending.
BurnItDwn
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It depends on something that's hard to interpret and somewhat of a grey area.
JUST CAUSE
Generally, if there's just cause, then the police can get a warranty, so this should be mostly a non issue.
The only time that it is "ok" without a warrant, is in a short term emergency situation when there is obvious "just cause".
JUST CAUSE
Generally, if there's just cause, then the police can get a warranty, so this should be mostly a non issue.
The only time that it is "ok" without a warrant, is in a short term emergency situation when there is obvious "just cause".
Abso-fsking-lutely NOT! The Constitution is our guarantee against unwarranted searchs and seizures. The Bushwhackos have already shown us that, if you give up that right, they are more than willing to abuse their powers.
What if they got the wrong guy? What if they got the wrong guy, and he was killed when they tried to arrest him? What if the wrong guy they got was YOU? :shocked:
What if they got the wrong guy? What if they got the wrong guy, and he was killed when they tried to arrest him? What if the wrong guy they got was YOU? :shocked:
Why do people insist on making the same weak arguments over and over trying to defend something that is illegal?
In case there is any confusion I agree with you guys. I'm just reacting to some of the polls that I have seen which say that Americans support Bush's wiretapping.
Don Vito Corleone
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Exactly. This is a particularly stupid example in that FISA gave the President much broader authority for wiretaps than the police would have in a regular criminal investigation, even one involving an alleged serial killer.
If they have enough evidence to "know" then they have enough to get a warrant. Intuition, gut feeling, and the like do NOT cut it.
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Actually, this isn't true - they often have intimate knowledge of the gangs and members involved, and off-the-record informants and the like. It's not uncommon for the police to know who committed a particular crime, and know the names of multiple witnesses, and be stonewalled by a culture of fear, and mistrust of police (largely fostered, in Toronto's case, by the previous chief, who lacked a lot of credibility, especially wrt race relations).
In order to match Zendari's troll you shouldn't even mention warrants in your question. Instead, the question should read:
Do you support house searches for suspected serial killers?
Who says they support it now? I've not seen a poll with properly-worded questions to even begin to suggest such a thing.
I have seen polls that up to 2/3 of Americans feel impeachment hearings would be proper.
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