Do you realize that this is the World War III ?!!

Keroseen

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I don't see these events other than the beginning of the World War III... :| US will strike the supposed terrorists in their mountains. They will strike us in our cities. They already proved that they can do it easily.

However great the anger of americans is right now, if we are to strike, we need to do it extremely smart. If we don't outsmart our enemy in the planning stages, America will fail, and that will be THE END.

These cowards' plan is that we are going to go to war with them. And, sadly, we are following their plan...
 

Capn

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"They already proved that they can do it easily."

How so? After all their attempts at other acts of terrorism we've been hit significantly only a handful of times. This action probably took years of planning and covert action, nothing about it was "easy"
 

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5+ years of planning. meanwhile the CIA has stopped armed terrorists several times since 1998. and you can be damned sure they aren't getting to hijack an airplane again. we need to get the whole ring, killing bin laden himself won't be enough. and we'll have lots of help from pretty much every powerful nation on earth.
 

Keroseen

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Yes, with careful planning on their part it was easy. We proved to have no defence against an internal threat. How could our air defence forces, if there are any, allow planes to fly off course for almost an hour???
 

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<< These cowards' plan is that we are going to go to war with them. And, sadly, we are following their plan... >>


Afraid not..................their "plan" is that their is no way we would have the balls to go after them and that the world as a whole wouldn't allow it........WRONG!!! They also are banking on the premise we will not be able to locate them and do the prscion bombing it would take to get to them..........What they DIDN'T bank on is that we would threaten and actually committ to coming in and taking the whole region and any other whom harber them, or that Russia, China, GB, Germany, Japan, Canada, and MANY other countries would be right there with us helping us! No, they are now running scared and running fast, problem is, most places they run will either be targeted, or will turn them in! As theterrorist anyalist said earlier on TV, they figured the USA would "roll over" after such an attack and are now in a situation they did not expect to be in!........
 

Capn

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please define easy,

Is anything that has been accomplished easy? If it was so easy why didn't they do it already? You think they haven't been trying?
 

gopunk

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well if they already have terrorists here then it shouldn't be too hard for them. think about it, how hard would it be for some guy to take some explosives he had stored away, walk into the middle of a peace vigil and let all hell loose? not very hard.
 

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Yeah, I have to say I still don't understand why, when the first rogue plane has just slammed into the WTC, they didn't shoot down the second rogue plane headed in the same direction?? I'll be very interested in hearing some of the in-cockpit and ground to air communications once (if?) they are released.

As for the WW3 thing: this could very well be true as the confict touches many countries either directly or indirectly. If we lay waste to Afghanistan, it will likely involve Pakistan (they funnel in a good bit of loot for OBL), and maybe even Chechnya as Afghan is a major staging and training area for the Chechyn rebels. This will then involve Russia as they would sure like a chance to stamp out the Chech/Afghan "problem" once and for all. This will surely draw the ire of other hostile Muslim nations (Palestine comes to mind), who could then lash out at the nearest "allied" neighbor (Israel). This could then draw in even more nations (iraq?) until almost everyone has to chose a side. This is a worst-case scenario I know, but then again, so were the events this week in NY and DC.

Fausto
 

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Remember the Battle of Britain, we shall overcome. Hitler didn't faze the British then, even the RAF was greatly outnumbered by the Luftwaffe and under constant bombing day and night, don't let the terrorist faze us now. Yes, there might be further attack, more of us could be kill, but if we don't fight back, they will continue to terrorize us, our children, and our grandchildren.
 

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<< Yeah, I have to say I still don't understand why, when the first rogue plane has just slammed into the WTC, they didn't shoot down the second rogue plane headed in the same direction?? >>



When the second plane hit, they still had no idea what the first explosion was. There were reports of small civilian plane, a missle, or a passenger jet. It was only after the second one hit in front of the cameras that anyone realized what was happening.
 

Nitemare

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I thought a world war would hace to be a bunch of countries against a bunch of countries. As far as I can see, no one is backing the terrorists
 

Keroseen

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<< I thought a world war would hace to be a bunch of countries against a bunch of countries. As far as I can see, no one is backing the terrorists >>


The problem with terrorism is that the cancer of it has spread through America and other contries backing us...
 

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<< I thought a world war would hace to be a bunch of countries against a bunch of countries. As far as I can see, no one is backing the terrorists >>


I agree with you. I also agree with Fausto1. It might lead to a world war.
 

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<< When the second plane hit, they still had no idea what the first explosion was. >>


The airlines knew for almost an hour that their planes went dramatically off course! This is just unbelievable that airforce did nothing to intercept those planes. :|
 

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<< The airlines knew for almost an hour that their planes went dramatically off course! This is just unbelievable that airforce did nothing to intercept those planes. >>

I guess people believe that we have planes ready to scramble on a moments notice, and they are all within 10 minutes of any point in the U.S.

What was needed to halt the attacks?

So how much time did the Air Force have to respond? On departure from Boston, American Airlines Flight 11 was passed from the Logan tower to TRACON, which handles departures, then to Boston Center for transition to high-altitude jet airways.

These airways lead over northern Massachusetts toward Albany, N.Y. At a point near Albany, the plane deviated from that course. The FAA?s Boston Center knew within less than a minute that Flight 11 had made a dramatic, roughly 100-degree left-hand turn to the south.

Controllers also overheard a conversation on a cockpit microphone saying, ?Don?t do anything foolish, you?re not going to get hurt,? according to the Christian Science Monitor.

MATTERS OF TIMING

Flying time to the World Trade Center is 24 minutes at high speed from Albany. Flight time from Atlantic City, the nearest F-16 fighter base, to the World Trade Center is just 18 minutes. That leaves just six minutes to launch fighter jets to intercept the hijacked plane.

United Airlines Flight 175, headed from Boston to Los Angeles, flew within four air minutes of Atlantic City before turning north to the World Trade Center. It struck nearly 21 minutes after the first plane.

Why didn?t Atlantic City fighter planes respond? One answer is that Atlantic City is a National Guard base, not an Air Force intercept base, and it may not have had planes on alert. The nearest air intercept base, Otis Air Force Base on Cape Cod, Mass., was reported to have launched two F-15s, but they could not get to the World Trade Center in time.

 

Yeeny

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They may have known that the planes were off course, but they certainly did not know what the hijackers intentions were. No one could have imagined what they would do then. Now, we know firsthand, and we are ready for them.
 

Keroseen

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The main question is, however, if America is willing to sacrifice its people, its cities for the cause of erasing terrorism off the face of the Earth. Do our leaders and regular people realize that more destructive terror attacks, possbly nuclear, chemical, or biological will most definitely follow any military action by us? ...and we will not be able to stop these attacks. :(
 

zmatrix

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I am afraid that we are on the brink of WW3. If we do go after Bin Laden, I am almost certain the operatives or cells of Bin Laden all over the US will emerge with more threatening acts of terrorism.

I do not know how likely it is for them to obtain these so called "suitcase nukes", but it can be pretty easy for a madman to strap themselves full of dynamite and become miniature weapons themselves by easily driving or worse yet, barging their way into key locations to blow more buildings up. We may just see similar acts of what Tim McVeigh did to Oklahoma throughout the US. It may be in any neighborhood or city as it will be carried out by these terrorist martyrs.

You never know if the van you are driving next to is loaded up with explosives. Even worse, if nukes are obtained, it may be the end of world as we know it. If you don't die from the blast, you will most likely die from the consequential effects of it; radiation or nuclear winter. Let's all hope and pray that these scenarios will never play out.
 

Triumph

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what's wrong with you people? A world war includes MULTIPLE COUNTRIES! Lets list the countries we'd be fighting against:
Afghanistan
Iraq
Palestine

of course those are all just guesses. Now lets list the countries that would be on our side.
All of them.

me, I'm not that concerned.
 

JackBurton

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It's kind of hard to do another suicide mission when you don't having very many people left. The coutries that harbor these terrorist should be TOTALLY wiped out. EVERY person GONE! I'm sure we do have some people here in the US that are terrorist but once those people are gone that will be it. These coutries will breed no more. I WANT THAT COUTRY (Afghanistan) OFF THE MAP! What would make me happy is fuel bombing the ENTIRE country! This way VERY little American lives would be lost in the war and it will be over with in a matter of a week. But to do this you need to kill EVERY living thing! No mercy calls for no mercy! :|
 

zmatrix

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Surely we will have the rest of the world supporting us, but it doesn't matter when it hits home now does it. It was reported that Bin Laden has a vast network of the cells operating and I bet when called for, they will come forth and act as saboteurs, poking holes, rendering us vulnerable, not just in our country but possibly in other nations as well.

What good is it when we converge on these countries on a global scale when we are being attacked on our home front from enemies that are diffcult to detect. These terrorists cells are mobile and are less easily detected with intentions that can cripple us. That to me, is reason enough to be concerned of this possibility.
 

KBrinks

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what if we drafted 5 year olds like the crazy 3rd world countrys do? "hell im not gonna die.. lets get the kids to fight for us"