Do you love yourself? Do you feel worthwhile? Imagine doing this--->

Moonbeam

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Imagine the inner satisfaction your soul would feel if you were a part of something like this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-10654599

instead of having invented a bundled derivative that made you millions and destroyed the US economy.

What can you get out of life more than to have done something good for your fellow human beings.

To live for the self is empty, an act of inner despair, eh?
 

MJinZ

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I'd rather wipe out all mosquitos from the face of the Earth.
 

JEDIYoda

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I'd rather wipe out all mosquitos from the face of the Earth.

well get to it!!

That is a very unselfish thing...if you start now we won`t have to read your idiotic posts for a few hundred years....rofl..hahahaa
 

JEDIYoda

Lifer
Jul 13, 2005
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I'd rather wipe out all mosquitos from the face of the Earth.

well get to it!!

That is a very unselfish thing...if you start now we won`t have to read your posts for a few hundred years....rofl..hahahaa
 

hal2kilo

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Great!, I think this will be a win win vice fixing one thing and creating a environmental diaster with the other. I always keep in the back of my mind, be careful what you wish for.
 

Moonbeam

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Has anybody noted that this thread, designed to extol the virtue of a life dedicated to the objective of the invention of means and techniques, the purpose of which is an undeniably objective good as opposed to a life lived for the self, should immediately degenerate into a disaster scenario of unintended consequences?

I guess we better just give up. Anything we worthless self haters do is sure to turn to shit. The motivation to stay away from what you feel and what you ought to feel is so profound, it can't be penetrated. Somebody should have at least defended bankers. There is after all a dude named:

Muhammad Yunus has had phenomenal success helping people lift themselves out of poverty in rural Bangladesh by providing them with credit without requiring collateral. Yunus developed his revolutionary micro-credit system with the belief that it would be a cost effective and scalable weapon to fight poverty.

Yunus told his story and that of the bank in the book "Banker to the Poor," co-authored by him and Alan Jolis. In the book, Yunus recalls that in 1974 he was teaching economics at a Chittagong University in southern Bangladesh, when the country experienced a terrible famine in which thousands starved to death.

"We tried to ignore it," he says. "But then skeleton-like people began showing up in the capital, Dhaka. Soon the trickle became a flood. Hungry people were everywhere. Often they sat so still that one could not be sure whether they were alive or dead. They all looked alike: men, women, children. Old people looked like children, and children looked like old people.

The thrill he had once experienced studying economics and teaching his students elegant economic theories that could supposedly cure societal problems soon left him entirely. As the famine worsened he began to dread his own lectures.

"Nothing in the economic theories I taught reflected the life around me. How could I go on telling my students make believe stories in the name of economics? I needed to run away from these theories and from my textbooks and discover the real-life economics of a poor person's existence."

Yunus went to the nearby village of Jobra where he learned the economic realities of the poor. Yunus wanted to help, and he cooked up several plans working with his students. He found that one of his many ideas was more successful than the rest: offering people tiny loans for self-employment. Grameen Bank was born and an economic revolution had begun.

What Does Grameen Bank Do?
Grameen Bank has reversed conventional banking wisdom by focusing on women borrowers, dispensing of the requirement of collateral and extending loans only to the very poorest borrowers. In fact, to qualify for a loan from the Grameen Bank, a villager must demonstrate that her family owns less than one half acre of land.

The bank has provided $4.7 billion dollars to 4.4 million families in rural Bangladesh. With 1,417 branches, Grameen provides services in 51,000 villages, covering three quarters of all the villages in Bangladesh. Yet its system is largely based on mutual trust and the enterprise and accountability of millions of women villagers.

Today, more than 250 institutions in nearly 100 countries operate micro-credit programs based on the Grameen Bank model, while thousands of other micro-credit programs have emulated, adapted or been inspired by the Grameen Bank. According to one expert in innovative government, the program established by Yunus at the Grameen Bank "is the single most important development in the third world in the last 100 years, and I don't think any two people will disagree."

He will die knowing his life was worth living.
 

bfdd

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What a waste of time and money. We would be better off trying to just find a way to make the stupid things extinct. We don't need the malaria carrying insects around and getting rid of this species would save over a million lives a year.
 

Moonbeam

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What a waste of time and money. We would be better off trying to just find a way to make the stupid things extinct. We don't need the malaria carrying insects around and getting rid of this species would save over a million lives a year.

I vote we kill the parasite instead, maybe with lasers or two micron swords.
 

Chaotic42

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Modify them to consume carbon dioxide and pollutants while you're at it. Of course, I guess with my billions from scamming average citizens, I could get a super model to swat mosquitos.

Which ever.
 

cwjerome

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Has anybody noted that this thread, designed to extol the virtue of a life dedicated to the objective of the invention of means and techniques, the purpose of which is an undeniably objective good as opposed to a life lived for the self, should immediately degenerate into a disaster scenario of unintended consequences?

I guess we better just give up. Anything we worthless self haters do is sure to turn to shit. The motivation to stay away from what you feel and what you ought to feel is so profound, it can't be penetrated.

[...] He will die knowing his life was worth living.

One of the beauties of our Constitution is it doesn't end conflict (that is impossible), it channels our problems into constructive ideas and solutions. But we have spent the last 25 years arguing "fake" issues and asking the wrong questions. Since WWII Western thinkers said there is too much abstraction and sophistication. Complexity was the problem. Just give the bottom line. Keep it simple stupid. We became anti-philosophical and anti-theoretical, great enterprises of complexity were seen as the enemy. But trying to make the complex into the simple distorts and is not reflective of reality. We are distorted... out of synch, confused.

Now we are riding (suffering) on the ripples of a Post-Modern tsunami. When we were told that reality is arbitrary, order was a myth, and man was helpless, our world shifted. Sure, call it a fad, a growing pain... but we are still feeling the aftershocks. We are operating with a scarred societal psyche that will take many more years to heal.

Today we read text with intent to disprove. We deconstruct. We are cynical... irony is our theme. We cleverly look for bad motives and use our smarts to criticize anything; everything. We use our energies to undermine ideas and people ("gotcha politics" etc), rather than to build and cultivate. We analyze to destroy. Will we regain our childlike wonder and ask pure questions, with enthusiasm and amazement? Can we see a rebirth of sincererity?

Citizenship is dead and it's reflected in our debates. Everything has been reduced to "voting" and it's a LIE. The US was designed as a Republic, to be the great engine of inquiry, for citizens to learn and grow, together for the betterment of all... when we reason well we reveal the universe. Our Constitution and Spirit (ie. the people) both evolve and grow, but if they don't match it will fail. We are slowly unraveling. We have become ignorant of our role and afraid of the good.
 

MJinZ

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Has anybody noted that this thread, designed to extol the virtue of a life dedicated to the objective of the invention of means and techniques, the purpose of which is an undeniably objective good as opposed to a life lived for the self, should immediately degenerate into a disaster scenario of unintended consequences?

I guess we better just give up. Anything we worthless self haters do is sure to turn to shit. The motivation to stay away from what you feel and what you ought to feel is so profound, it can't be penetrated. Somebody should have at least defended bankers. There is after all a dude named:

Muhammad Yunus has had phenomenal success helping people lift themselves out of poverty in rural Bangladesh by providing them with credit without requiring collateral. Yunus developed his revolutionary micro-credit system with the belief that it would be a cost effective and scalable weapon to fight poverty.

Yunus told his story and that of the bank in the book "Banker to the Poor," co-authored by him and Alan Jolis. In the book, Yunus recalls that in 1974 he was teaching economics at a Chittagong University in southern Bangladesh, when the country experienced a terrible famine in which thousands starved to death.

"We tried to ignore it," he says. "But then skeleton-like people began showing up in the capital, Dhaka. Soon the trickle became a flood. Hungry people were everywhere. Often they sat so still that one could not be sure whether they were alive or dead. They all looked alike: men, women, children. Old people looked like children, and children looked like old people.

The thrill he had once experienced studying economics and teaching his students elegant economic theories that could supposedly cure societal problems soon left him entirely. As the famine worsened he began to dread his own lectures.

"Nothing in the economic theories I taught reflected the life around me. How could I go on telling my students make believe stories in the name of economics? I needed to run away from these theories and from my textbooks and discover the real-life economics of a poor person's existence."

Yunus went to the nearby village of Jobra where he learned the economic realities of the poor. Yunus wanted to help, and he cooked up several plans working with his students. He found that one of his many ideas was more successful than the rest: offering people tiny loans for self-employment. Grameen Bank was born and an economic revolution had begun.

What Does Grameen Bank Do?
Grameen Bank has reversed conventional banking wisdom by focusing on women borrowers, dispensing of the requirement of collateral and extending loans only to the very poorest borrowers. In fact, to qualify for a loan from the Grameen Bank, a villager must demonstrate that her family owns less than one half acre of land.

The bank has provided $4.7 billion dollars to 4.4 million families in rural Bangladesh. With 1,417 branches, Grameen provides services in 51,000 villages, covering three quarters of all the villages in Bangladesh. Yet its system is largely based on mutual trust and the enterprise and accountability of millions of women villagers.

Today, more than 250 institutions in nearly 100 countries operate micro-credit programs based on the Grameen Bank model, while thousands of other micro-credit programs have emulated, adapted or been inspired by the Grameen Bank. According to one expert in innovative government, the program established by Yunus at the Grameen Bank "is the single most important development in the third world in the last 100 years, and I don't think any two people will disagree."

He will die knowing his life was worth living.

Way too long did not skim.
 

shira

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I think they should engineer these new mosquitoes to taste like lobster dipped in drawn butter.
 

I Saw OJ

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Can we genetically engineer crows to not make so much noise outside my window?
 

shira

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Can we genetically engineer crows to not make so much noise outside my window?

Maybe we can engineer a new pathogen for which the new mosquitoes are the vector, and the pathogen paralyzes the vocal chords of crows.

Of course, if the pathogen mutates, it might paralyze the vocal chords of my girlfriend.

:awe:
 

Infohawk

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Cool of course, but I'd rather people find ways to limit population or sustain huge populations as opposed to finding ways to create overpopulation while not providing for the means to support them.