Do you like books/stories/movies where evil wins?

[imported_Tick]

Discuss.

 

[BrokenVisage]

I don't always "like it" but I do root for evil every so often, mostly in movies. It's not my fault though, it's years and years of Hollywood making it so that the good guys do something improbable in the end that helps them win.

 

[imported_LoKe]

Sometimes, yes, but only if the "bad guy" is practically the main character. Simply because I tend to root for the team which I know most about.

 

[vi edit]

Not usually. But I'm a sucker for a good "anti-hero" movie/book.

 

[caivoma]

There are times that the main hero in the book is annoying douche bag that i actually rooted for the evil side win.

 

[JoPh]

yup.

 

[ChaoZ]

Only if I like the characters.

 

[Regs]

Depends how well they portray the heroin and who acts as the hero.

Batman the original movie I liked Keaton to win even though I loved Jack as the joker.

Though as soon as Val Kilmer set foot in a batman outfit.... I was hoping he put his mask on backwards and suffocated to death.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: Regs
Depends how well they portray the heroin and who acts as the hero.

Batman the original movie I liked Keaton to win even though I loved Jack as the joker.

Though as soon as Val Kilmer set foot in a batman outfit.... I was hoping he put his mask on backwards and suffocated to death.

So how'd you feel about George Clooney then?

 

[Regs]

Hah, I can only think you asked that because the vilans where even worse.

 

[Mo0o]

depends. i really wanted tom cruise to win at the end of collateral because i felt it would have gone along w/ the overall tone of the movie but whatever.

 

[Regs]

Originally posted by: Mo0o
depends. i really wanted tom cruise to win at the end of collateral because i felt it would have gone along w/ the overall tone of the movie but whatever.

I would have to agree as I didn't believe the ending too well. Trained hit man going up against a taxi cab driver shooting blindly. Though at least the driver grew a pair and defended what he wanted which was the "moral" of the story.

 

[Dirigible]

Heck yeah. Evil will always defeat good because good is dumb.

 

[BrokenVisage]

You should have added: If so, list some. And damn it, thinking about that made me go though my DVDs, mine are..

The Aliens in The Faculty
DeNiro in Heat
Bill in Kill Bill (that wish ended early )
Cy the Photo Guy in One Hour Photo
Micheal Douglas in Falling Down
The Super Hot Giant Alien Chick in Dude, Where's My Car? (c'mon, ya had to root for her)

I'm sure there are a lot of horror movies where I wanted the killer to win too lol.

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: Regs

Originally posted by: Mo0o
depends. i really wanted tom cruise to win at the end of collateral because i felt it would have gone along w/ the overall tone of the movie but whatever.

I would have to agree as I didn't believe the ending too well. Trained hit man going up against a taxi cab driver shooting blindly. Though at least the driver grew a pair and defended what he wanted which was the "moral" of the story.

yeah, i jsut felt a final scene of tom cruise's airplane taking off ( a counter to the opening scene) would be perfect

 

[EGGO]

I love it. I especially love tragedies.

 

[Joemonkey]

I agree with Michael Douglas in falling down

I also wanted to see Kevin Bacon win in Hollow Man, my ideal ending would be the place blowing up and you just see footprints as his invisible ass walks away, whistling

 

[Kadarin]

Lyekka in LEXX, because she's hawt.

 

[Noema]

I like books and movies where 'Good' and 'Evil' aren't cartoonishly depicted as such.

I like books and movies that concentrate on that deep, immense gray area which I find much more interesting than superficial absolute. Where you can't clearly tell 'he's a good guy' or 'he's a bad guy', but rather, different individuals with complex desires, motives and intentions and the way they interact with each other.

 

[SirStev0]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: Regs
Depends how well they portray the heroin and who acts as the hero.

Batman the original movie I liked Keaton to win even though I loved Jack as the joker.

Though as soon as Val Kilmer set foot in a batman outfit.... I was hoping he put his mask on backwards and suffocated to death.

So how'd you feel about George Clooney then?

George Clooney played Batman!?!

 

[darkamulets]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: Regs
Depends how well they portray the heroin and who acts as the hero.

Batman the original movie I liked Keaton to win even though I loved Jack as the joker.

Though as soon as Val Kilmer set foot in a batman outfit.... I was hoping he put his mask on backwards and suffocated to death.

So how'd you feel about George Clooney then?

Regs get the guns we got us some bat hunting to do!

 

[Wuffsunie]

I do like a good one now and again, though they're so hard to find. Most authors don't have the talent or the spine to portray events in such negative light.

Usually when I root for a bad guy, it's because the heroes are idiots.

Aside from the Lovecraft books I have, there aren't too many others. 1984 is probably the best one I've read where evil just crushes good. The Colossus series by DF Jones. I've read the first two, haven't managed to find the third. First one is probably the best example of the Evil (maybe, perhaps...) supercomputer ever written, and the second is pure misogynist tripe.

Movie wise, you can kind of argue with The Thing as well, whether evil won there. Se7en is the best example I can think of where evil wins the final round of a more classic face-off with good. Just the denial of it is so profound by the end. Fallen is another snatched-from-the-jaws-of-defeat victory for Evil. I'm surprised no one has mentioned Silence of the Lambs yet. While not the main antagonist, or central to the main arc (which good does win), Lector escaping was a nice concession. Romero's zombie trilogy is kind of 50/50. Yes, some humans survive. But do they win? The Ninth Gate is probably the most ambiguous I can think of. Corso is an anti-hero in the play, yet who he goes up against is so much more evil. The Ring is absolute classic, evil clearly demonstrating it can only be evaded for so long. Screamers has a simple "oh, not quite" ending to it, too. Of course most of those are of the last-min twist endings, where you see that things are not what you believe, not an out and out victory, or even a portrayal of the story from evil's side.

Any really good movies like that would be appreciated.

 

[Sunner]

I tend to like Stephen King books, mostly because there's rarely a clear cut "winner", the endings tend to be rather sad no matter what side you were rooting for, if any
Guess that counts as a "sorta" or something.

Definitely DeNiro in Heat though, his character was awesome.

 

[zerocool1]

Originally posted by: SirStev0

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: Regs
Depends how well they portray the heroin and who acts as the hero.

Batman the original movie I liked Keaton to win even though I loved Jack as the joker.

Though as soon as Val Kilmer set foot in a batman outfit.... I was hoping he put his mask on backwards and suffocated to death.

So how'd you feel about George Clooney then?

George Clooney played Batman!?!

yea, in batman and robin

 

[Yreka]

Sometimes, it depends on the story..

The one that sticks out in my mind was Gangs of New York.. I was so rooting for the Butcher.