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Hyperblaze

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In today's society on computers just about every single application program is graphical in nature.

While this has advanced society into moving computers into the mainstream, it has stemmed off the learning process.

It used to be before the windows era that folks who used computers, actually KNEW how to use computers and weren't afraid to use them.

Now, can't claim the same.

Even folks who take computer training classes, and barely understand the inner system, get high paying jobs out there.

You know windows 2003? (takes 5 seconds to learn it), here, a 55,000K job.

I don't know about you folks, but I'm more interested in actually learning then point and click.

I've had this issue for years. Then again, I originally grew up in DOS.
 
I don't know the inner working of my microwave oven either, but I can cook a frozen pizza. Damn, I feel stoopid.
 
Originally posted by: jjones
I don't know the inner working of my microwave oven either, but I can cook a frozen pizza. Damn, I feel stoopid.
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YOU DON'T!??!?! :Q:Q
 
Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
That's nice:roll:
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I take it you are one of those typical windows users.
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No not at all. I just understand that a lot of people have better things to do than to learn the ins and outs of computer software and hardware. You know things like a social life.
 
CLI doesn't force the user to be any more knowledgeable. We have a huge legacy system where I work where you have to type everything in. I run across just as many clueless people using that as the newer GUI stuff.

Developers and administrators have to know the inner system. If the users have to, then someone screwed up.
 
Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
You know windows 2003? (takes 5 seconds to learn it), here, a 55,000K job.
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What job is that? I hope you're not talking about a system administrator position or something, because I haven't met many bosses who would hire a senior sysadmin with less than 5 years experience, let alone '5 seconds'...
 
Uh.. you do realize that technology exists to better the lives of people, right? Not everyone is interested in learning the in-depth workings of a computer or a piece of software. Your grandmother doesn't need to know the difference between POP3 and IMAP to send you an email.

BTW, where are these jobs where I can make $55,000,000 for 5 seconds of Windows 2003 experience?
 
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Uh.. you do realize that technology exists to better the lives of people, right? Not everyone is interested in learning the in-depth workings of a computer or a piece of software. Your grandmother doesn't need to know the difference between POP3 and IMAP to send you an email.
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You are right, but I think you are missing the point. If I sit at a computer all day working mostly with Microsoft Office, IE, etc for five years, one should reasonably be able to expect that I am very knowledgeable in those programs. What we are seeing is that people are making no attempt to explore and learn about the tools that they use on a daily basis. This has reached the point where the lack of knowledge has an impact on the productivity of people.
 
Originally posted by: jjones
I don't know the inner working of my microwave oven either, but I can cook a frozen pizza. Damn, I feel stoopid.
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I can change my car's oil, but not much else. But I do drive at least once a week, and once a day when I had a full time job.🙂

I would like to see computers as sophisticated as those on Star Trek:TNG. You don't have to know a thing about computers to use it. Just talk to it, it'll figure out what to do.
 
No. Infact, I have such an insatiable appetite for information and knowledge, that it makes me scatterbrained a lot of the time. Too many projects going on at once....

Edit: Okay, so the above comment has little to do with the body of this thread.... 😛

Umm.. I dunno. It goes both ways. For every smart person you meet, you will meet two dumb ones.
 
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Uh.. you do realize that technology exists to better the lives of people, right? Not everyone is interested in learning the in-depth workings of a computer or a piece of software. Your grandmother doesn't need to know the difference between POP3 and IMAP to send you an email.
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You are right, but I think you are missing the point. If I sit at a computer all day working mostly with Microsoft Office, IE, etc for five years, one should reasonably be able to expect that I am very knowledgeable in those programs. What we are seeing is that people are making no attempt to explore and learn about the tools that they use on a daily basis. This has reached the point where the lack of knowledge has an impact on the productivity of people.
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OMG. You are one of the few people who actually got it.

 
Who cares if they know how it works at its core if their job doesn't relate to that at all? If I'm hiring someone for data entry, I want them to know how to use Excel, not know how to write a program like it. If they can use it, great, I got what I wanted.
 
Originally posted by: Alone
Who cares if they know how it works at its core if their job doesn't relate to that at all? If I'm hiring someone for data entry, I want them to know how to use Excel, not know how to write a program like it. If they can use it, great, I got what I wanted.
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remind me never to work for you then.

The way you make it sound, you don't look for someone with a passion to learn and be even more productive.

 
Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
Originally posted by: joshsquall
Uh.. you do realize that technology exists to better the lives of people, right? Not everyone is interested in learning the in-depth workings of a computer or a piece of software. Your grandmother doesn't need to know the difference between POP3 and IMAP to send you an email.
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You are right, but I think you are missing the point. If I sit at a computer all day working mostly with Microsoft Office, IE, etc for five years, one should reasonably be able to expect that I am very knowledgeable in those programs. What we are seeing is that people are making no attempt to explore and learn about the tools that they use on a daily basis. This has reached the point where the lack of knowledge has an impact on the productivity of people.
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OMG. You are one of the few people who actually got it.
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Actually, your rant was just piss poor and hard to understand that was what you were saying.
 
55k for win 2003 knowledge? Bullsh1t! I can't find a $8/hour job and I know the "inner workings" of a computer pretty well. I can fill out a 2000 page book with all the stuff I learned..
 
Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
In today's society on computers just about every single application program is graphical in nature.

While this has advanced society into moving computers into the mainstream, it has stemmed off the learning process.

It used to be before the windows era that folks who used computers, actually KNEW how to use computers and weren't afraid to use them.

Now, can't claim the same.

Even folks who take computer training classes, and barely understand the inner system, get high paying jobs out there.

You know windows 2003? (takes 5 seconds to learn it), here, a 55,000K job.

I don't know about you folks, but I'm more interested in actually learning then point and click.

I've had this issue for years. Then again, I originally grew up in DOS.
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It funny when thinking of Andy Rooney saying that and this....

And what's the deal when a program tells you to hit the "anykey?" I've looked dozens of times and I can't find an "anykey" on my keyboard... Maybe I should go back to my old Selectric. And another problem is that the cup holder on my computer isn't strong enough to hold my glass of Milwaukee's Best - I've broken it three times now!
 
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