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Do you go without protection

Fike

Senior member
I have McAfee virus protection. They keep trying to sell me a bunch of other crap: phishing protection, spam protection, and all kinds of junk. Virus protection slows my boot times, takes up memory, clogs the registry....I hate it.

I am considering going without protection.


I have a router with firewall.
I know to check the URL of the site I am submitting my personal information to, so I am not foolish enough to need phishing protection,
I don't install any old crap on my machine, so spyware is not too big an issue.
2 years ago, I was without virus protection for the previous 2 years. I had no problems.

Are the virus protection companies just trying to sell us some snake-oil? Do they have sneaky funding mechanisms that pay programmers living in some third-world country to make viruses and unleash them on the world just to make a market for their product?
 
I haven't installed any anti virus program since 2002. I haven't used any adaware, spybot, ect for a few years now since I've switched to Firefox. I am a power user though so if something does happen or I know if for some reason a program/spyware is on my computer and it shouldn't be I can get rid of it easily. I usually do a fresh install of windows every 6 months though.

Personally, I think antivirus programs are useless now and if I think I have a problem I'll just do a free scan with trend micro's online thing. I do keep up my router firewall and I have that xp one enabled not sure why though.

Edit: I do put on any free virus protection and ad-aware and spybot on all my family's pc/friends and anyone I build one for because for being computer noobs people sure can get some funny stuff on their computer.
 
I went without Virus protection for years and never got a virus. I have been computing on PCs since 1987 and haven't had a virus hose my system in all of that 20 years - not to say you can't get one because people do.

I started using McAfee Enterprise around 2002. Right now I am running Enterprise 8.0.0.
 
I got rid of McAfee last year. Norton has always been an abomination. My AV situation is primarily handled by my ISP, which uses Postini. It has blocked several viruses in the last year or so.

As a second line of defense, I use AVG (free) and it stays out of the way, but is there. Once in a while it can do something with media from others.

I also have a router with a NAT firewall, and that plus Windows Defender (free) keeps all the malware at bay. Spam is all trapped by Postini.

I used to use ZoneAlarm Pro, but, like McAfee and others, it wanted to be all things to all people and just got too bloated and delayed booting and loading of XP by almost a minute. The suite movement really sucks.

My experience says you can go "nudie" with low risk if you follow some simple rules, especially if you have a good ISP.
 
I usually reinstall my entire system every 4-6 months so virus protection is a moot point. I liked Live one care though. very unintrusive. just stay away from Symantec (norton crap)
 
Only thing I keep is Adaware on my computer. Virus protection is just a waste of my system's already strained resources. Not only is it easy to avoid viruses if you're careful about not executing retarded crap, if you really aren't sure, there are some online single file virus scanners out there that are very handy.

Plus anti-virus costs lots of money I don't feel like spending 😉

EDIT: FYI, I have a router w/ firewall, wouldn't run on the intarwebs without a firewall 😛
 
Home = NAT router + XP auto update

Work = NAT router + AV + XP auto update

I use AV @ work because the only virus that's ever attempted to infect my system was sent to me be a co worker via an automated forwarding feature (sent to everyone on her outbox).

The point is that I don't randomly click pop ups, visit bad sites, or use P2P. I can't make the same statement about my co workers.

As far as spyware programs....I think these things are an abomination. The people who need them don't know what they're doing in running them and performing sweeps. All it does is succeed to scare them into buying complete internet security suites that make their machines dog slow.

I have yet to see an anti spyware program result in anything good - just more eaten CPU cycles, false positives, misleading results, and pop ups. They're more annoying than they are effective.
 
I too have a router with a firewall, and I run AVG free. I've been virus free since switching to Firefox. IE gave me a couple of lovely Trojans, either delivered by ActiveX or Java. And even then, AVG was always quick to tell me that some files in the browser cache were up to no good, and as a result, they were always short-lived.


Adaware, Spybot, and CWShredder also reside on my PC, but they very rarely get used, maybe only a few times a year, and even more rarely do they find anything.
 
I agree that these suites are bloated and useless. I often wonder what some people without any computer knowledge do when their Antivirus suite pops up and says that a program is trying to chage the regsitry or access the internet.

Maybe I will dump the antivirus too. Sounds like lots of people agree that being careful where you surf and what you open is the best protection you can have. Sounds alot like real life: be careful who you fool around with and what you do, and you should be fine.
 
I voted the first option because the middle option, when combined with the third option, seems to imply that I don't have a firewall either.

I used to use NOD32 but haven't used it since installing XP x64 a little over a year ago due to incompatibility. Now I'm back to 32-bit XP and only using the router firewall.
 
I have zonealarm free for firewall, and AVG free for AV. Also spybot and ad-aware but they rarely get used. I see the firewall and AV a necessity here at school - firewall to keep students from getting in (I've had zonealarm warn me several times of attempts from school IPs) and AV because others have gotten viruses that spread through part of the school network and tried to infect me (AVG killed every one though). Also I need AV because school won't let me on the internet without it, they are really strict about internet stuff.

McAfee is crap IMO, school gives it to the students and McAfee is the one that let the virus through into the network.
 
I'm using Kaspersky AV 6.0, and it seems to work well without being a resource hog. It got rated the best AV I think. I use Spyware Doctor every now and then but won't let it run in the background. Kaspersky seems fine running in the background. I got the Chernobyl trojan or whatever it was back in '98 and lost everything on my then 20GB hard drive, so I'm a little bit weary.
 
Originally posted by: JustinTD79
I'm using Kaspersky AV 6.0, and it seems to work well without being a resource hog. It got rated the best AV I think. I use Spyware Doctor every now and then but won't let it run in the background. Kaspersky seems fine running in the background. I got the Chernobyl trojan or whatever it was back in '98 and lost everything on my then 20GB hard drive, so I'm a little bit weary.
You had a 20 GB hard drive in 1998?!
 
Yeah, a Compaq 400MHz PII with a 20GB HD and a 4MB ATI Rage video card.

Oh, and a 100MB zip drive, ha.

I upgraded to a 16MB Voodoo3 a year later and thought I was a badass. Half-Life never looked so good.
 
I seriously doubt that those who say they have no protection whatsoever have not had any viruses....

I would bet there are those with routers that have NAT and didn`t know it...or those who actually honestly have had no viruses only go to certain sites that they deem to be safe such as yahoo....google......msnbc...etc...all mainstream site or NewEgg etc.....

Somewhere be it your ISP there is protection....

just a thought.....

 
Originally posted by: StopSign
Originally posted by: JustinTD79
I'm using Kaspersky AV 6.0, and it seems to work well without being a resource hog. It got rated the best AV I think. I use Spyware Doctor every now and then but won't let it run in the background. Kaspersky seems fine running in the background. I got the Chernobyl trojan or whatever it was back in '98 and lost everything on my then 20GB hard drive, so I'm a little bit weary.
You had a 20 GB hard drive in 1998?!
snaps!
 
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
I seriously doubt that those who say they have no protection whatsoever have not had any viruses....

I would bet there are those with routers that have NAT and didn`t know it...or those who actually honestly have had no viruses only go to certain sites that they deem to be safe such as yahoo....google......msnbc...etc...all mainstream site or NewEgg etc.....

Somewhere be it your ISP there is protection....

just a thought.....
I only use my router firewall and go to a lot of "less-than-legal" places and don't have problems. I've never gotten viruses or other malware from files I "acquired." You just have to be experienced and able to tell the good stuff from the bad stuff.
 
Or you can just right-click and scan it before you run it and never have to wonder. I got that virus in '98 from a game a friend sent me. I thought it was safe, but little did I know.
 
Scan with AVG and Spybot once a week or so. Leave Windows firewall on. Haven't had an issue in years. It's almost entirely common sense, IMO. You learn what you can and can't no near.
 
I have never had issues with Viruses iether...
But for a few years I worked in that industry.
Mind you with proper care and as somebody else stated they scan everything the download before opening..w.hich helps to a point..yet there are still malicious fies that will execute automatically.

Its a very real industry with very real concerns yet if you can get people to be honest you will find that they must be very pro-active to stay in buisness....

That word proactive can even include over hyping the security issue.....


Windows firewall for the average user is good...yet it is not the total package.

Good Luck top everyone. This is a fascinating subject!
 
Originally posted by: JustinTD79
Yeah, a Compaq 400MHz PII with a 20GB HD and a 4MB ATI Rage video card.

Oh, and a 100MB zip drive, ha.

I upgraded to a 16MB Voodoo3 a year later and thought I was a badass. Half-Life never looked so good.

sweet pc! i used to use almost the same except i had a cacheless 300 celeron which sucked. its all in a 933 P3 now which lets the voodoo3 spread its wings 🙂.
 
An active anti-virus isn't needed unless you're surfing the shady sites... in which case a VMWare image or a Sandbox would be better options... I run a full scan every now and then and have been running AOL AVS (Kaspersky) on my computers for about a month. Not too big of a resource footprint, low profile, and great detection rates - not that I ever get any viruses...
 
Originally posted by: drjman
I usually reinstall my entire system every 4-6 months so virus protection is a moot point.
If you reformat your system, does that undo the damage after a keystroke logger snags a copy of your credit-card number, your WoW log-in, eBay, PayPal, bank or other logins?

Nope. And that's where the motivation is for the bad guys nowdays, it's financially driven.

An active anti-virus isn't needed unless you're surfing the shady sites...
Not true. Take a look at the Bofra incident at The Register, which is certainly not a shady site. Or I could cite the example where Interland got hacked, and my own employer's website (hosted on Interland servers) began trying to feed our own computers malware. And guess what website I'd set as the homepage? 😕 Yeah, you got it. 😛 Active antivirus protection to the rescue...


My suggestion would be for people to learn how to use a layered defense:

1) post Software questions in the software section of the Forums 🙂 That prevents heckling by smart-alecks like me 😀

2) use a Limited user account for daily-driver stuff. It's arbitrary damage containment against many software exploits, including as-yet-unknown ones. Zero performance hit, no signature updates required, no cost.

3) if you have WinXP Professional Edition, add a SRP to your Limited account for the same reason. Zero performance hit, no signature updates required, no cost.

4) take a snack break 😀

5) Keep your system updated with not only Automatic Updates, but by uninstalling unnecessary software, and updating the rest of your software monthly (browsers, IM clients, email clients, Flash, QuickTime/iTunes, WinAmp and other media players, etc). Secunia's online checkup might surprise you, give it a try and see if your rig needs some security updates. Keeping stuff updated has no performance hit, and generally doesn't cost anything.

6) Fully enable your hardware Data Execution Prevention like this pic shows for arbitrary protection against some types of exploits. Zero performance hit, zero cost, zero updates required.

7) use a router as your perimeter firewall, and consider locking it down to allow ONLY the ports you actually NEED. What a concept, huh? 😛 If your router has wireless, turn it off if you don't use it, so no one can mooch off of you. Otherwise, enable the highest encryption level it allows (WPA2 or WPA, preferably). Zero performance hit.

8) I'd use the Windows Firewall to block inbound attacks against any other computers sharing your router, or else a third-party firewall software.

9) Yes, use common sense and stay away from warez and the rest of it.

10) don't run publicly-available services on your system.

11) Use a current-generation antivirus and configure it! Finish the job: go through the options, enable the heuristics and extra detections, and schedule a nightly scan. I generally suggest AOL Kaspersky if you want a freebie for home use, or Kaspersky 6.0 if you need a pay-for one because you use it for commercial use.



I study the security scene daily and it's time for people to figure out that the bad guys can make off with your money, identity info, documents, they can steal your CD keys to sell them, they can steal your WoW stuff and sell it, it's money, your money, that they're after now. Put away the "haha I can just reformat LOL" way of thinking, people... that won't fix the damage they want to do.


/soapbox
 
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