Do You Feel Duped by the President?

[MonstaThrilla]

I certainly was in the last few weeks leading up to the war. I had been against it ever since this time last year when the sabres started rattling, but a steady dose of FoxNews and the belief that Saddam really was a threat to us changed my mind at the last minute. My view of it changed after Bush did his victory speech on the USS Abraham and I realized what he really started that war for.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

umm, wasn't there a 12-14 month build-up of troops before the war?

So please share in your revelation - what exactly is "the real" reason he(Bush) started the war?

CkG

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
umm, wasn't there a 12-14 month build-up of troops before the war?

So please share in your revelation - what exactly is "the real" reason he(Bush) started the war?

For cheap political advantage.

1) It was used as the main platform of the the Republican Party to win the 2002 midterms. The Democrats, spinelessly and unwisely, tried to push the war resolution through quickly so they could move the election issues towards the weak economy. In a stroke of genius that should be expected from Karl Rove, Bush kept the buildup with Iraq the hot issue of the time. Bush campaigned at vital states for the Republican candidates. He was able to unseat a Vietnam hero who gave 3 of his limbs for this country from his Senate seat and replace him with a no name hack. The Democrats were caught with their pants down and beaten as badly as they deserved to be.

2) Osama couldn't be found, and it was hurting Bush's credibility. By continually using "terrorism", "Iraq", and "Saddam" in the same breath during his speeches to the country, President Bush was able to make Americans believe that Iraq posed a real threat to us. Its ironic that now neither Osama nor Saddam can be found, and Saddam has taken a queue from Osama by calling for jihad on audio tapes.

3) The Top Gun appearance on the USS Lincoln was so disgustingly political and image conscious that it made me sick.

4) The Republicans are now claiming that the Democrats are immorally "politicizing" the war, when in reality it was the Republicans who did it first. No Democrat has the cajones to call them out on it That makes me sick as well.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
umm, wasn't there a 12-14 month build-up of troops before the war?

So please share in your revelation - what exactly is "the real" reason he(Bush) started the war?

For cheap political advantage.

1) It was used as the main platform of the the Republican Party to win the 2002 midterms. The Democrats, spinelessly and unwisely, tried to push the war resolution through quickly so they could move the election issues towards the weak economy. In a stroke of genius that should be expected from Karl Rove, Bush kept the buildup with Iraq the hot issue of the time. Bush campaigned at vital states for the Republican candidates. He was able to unseat a Vietnam hero who gave 3 of his limbs for this country from his Senate seat and replace him with a no name hack. The Democrats were caught with their pants down and beaten as badly as they deserved to be.

2) Osama couldn't be found, and it was hurting Bush's credibility. By continually using "terrorism", "Iraq", and "Saddam" in the same breath during his speeches to the country, President Bush was able to make Americans believe that Iraq posed a real threat to us. Its ironic that now neither Osama nor Saddam can be found, and Saddam has taken a queue from Osama by calling for jihad on audio tapes.

3) The Top Gun appearance on the USS Lincoln was so disgustingly political and image conscience that it made me sick.

4) The Republicans are now claiming that the Democrats are immorally "politicizing" the war, when in reality it was the Republicans who did it first. No Democrat has the cajones to call them out on it That makes me sick as well.

And here I was thinking that it was for Oil, imperalism, and because he is a cowboy.

1) how does the fact that he helped his party win seats make you feel he started the war? Didn't the war start after it?

2) OK, so we attacked Iraq cuz Bush got his panties in a bunch from not being able to find OBL. gotcha.

3) Don't go there - I might have to dig into the not so distant past to find you a sickening use of symbolism dealing with war for political reasons. (can't say his name though ) So a commander can't see his troops onboard a ship? Sure it was symbolic but it was hardly tacky.

4) So to use a phrase that is so often misused around here - "two wrongs make a right"? Mommy! johnny hit me! whaaaa No! She hit me first! Whaaa! Did not - Did too Whaaaaa!!! The dems can't "call" them on it because they supported the war and used the same "political" and "patriotic" leverage you claim the Repubs did.

CkG

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY


And here I was thinking that it was for Oil, imperalism, and because he is a cowboy.

1) how does the fact that he helped his party win seats make you feel he started the war? Didn't the war start after it?

2) OK, so we attacked Iraq cuz Bush got his panties in a bunch from not being able to find OBL. gotcha.

3) Don't go there - I might have to dig into the not so distant past to find you a sickening use of symbolism dealing with war for political reasons. (can't say his name though ) So a commander can't see his troops onboard a ship? Sure it was symbolic but it was hardly tacky.

4) So to use a phrase that is so often misused around here - "two wrongs make a right"? Mommy! johnny hit me! whaaaa No! She hit me first! Whaaa! Did not - Did too Whaaaaa!!! The dems can't "call" them on it because they supported the war and used the same "political" and "patriotic" leverage you claim the Repubs did.

CkG

1) He used the BUILDUP to the war for political advantage. Scare the American people into thinking there's some sudden dire situation in Iraq and something needs to be done about it quickly. It was decided in April 2002 by the RNC and Rove to make terrorism and national security the number one issue of the Midterms, because it was the easy road to victory. Saddam was a target everyone could hate, and it would be morally correct to get rid of his sorry ass, so they set the wheels in motion. Too bad they had to sell the war on these WMD's and imminent threats that have not turned up. Of course the President had to finish what he started, or else he would have lost the coveted credibility that spells his re-election.

2) Yes.

3) Bring it, girlfriend!

4) Exactly, the Dems can't call them on it for the spineless political move they made by voting for the war resolution in Fall 2002. I'm not defending the Dems, I'm calling them spineless. Again, I'm not defending the Dems. Thirdly, I'm not defending the Dems. Another thing I should point out, is that I'm not defending the Dems.

 

[Moonbeam]

Sometimes people wake up. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. The sword of God is the empty bellies of the poor.

 

[RustedOut]

Bush had ulterior motives. He knows he won't get re-elected here. So he's going to run for President of Iraq. But looking at whats going on over there recently, I think he might lose there too. But wait, if he could get the Elephant, I mean Fox News Channel, Rush Bimbo and Shawn Insanity to go with him, he would win with a landslide !

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY


And here I was thinking that it was for Oil, imperalism, and because he is a cowboy.

1) how does the fact that he helped his party win seats make you feel he started the war? Didn't the war start after it?

2) OK, so we attacked Iraq cuz Bush got his panties in a bunch from not being able to find OBL. gotcha.

3) Don't go there - I might have to dig into the not so distant past to find you a sickening use of symbolism dealing with war for political reasons. (can't say his name though ) So a commander can't see his troops onboard a ship? Sure it was symbolic but it was hardly tacky.

4) So to use a phrase that is so often misused around here - "two wrongs make a right"? Mommy! johnny hit me! whaaaa No! She hit me first! Whaaa! Did not - Did too Whaaaaa!!! The dems can't "call" them on it because they supported the war and used the same "political" and "patriotic" leverage you claim the Repubs did.

CkG

1) He used the BUILDUP to the war for political advantage. Scare the American people into thinking there's some sudden dire situation in Iraq and something needs to be done about it quickly. It was decided in April 2002 by the RNC and Rove to make terrorism and national security the number one issue of the Midterms, because it was the easy road to victory. Saddam was a target everyone could hate, and it would be morally correct to get rid of his sorry ass, so they set the wheels in motion. Too bad they had to sell the war on these WMD's and imminent threats that have not turned up. Of course the President had to finish what he started, or else he would have lost the coveted credibility that spells his re-election.

2) Yes.

3) Bring it, girlfriend!

4) Exactly, the Dems can't call them on it for the spineless political move they made by voting for the war resolution in Fall 2002. I'm not defending the Dems, I'm calling them spineless. Again, I'm not defending the Dems. Thirdly, I'm not defending the Dems. Another thing I should point out, is that I'm not defending the Dems.

1) yep - so what? It's called politics - but using "trumped up" or "hyped" issues to win elections wasn't a reason to go to war. Sure they used the political pull to win, but the 2002 elections had nothing to do with the decision to go to war. Now maybe the '04 election...if you subscribe to the conspiracy ~10yr war thing.

2) were they pink? I think moony was talking about a missing pair a while back. So in otherwords you'd say there is a connection with Iraq and 9/11? Here I thought that you people debunked that one.

3) Bush in Normandy ? Not a Clinton Repeat EDIT -scroll down to heading

4) Let me repeat. Saddam said he had WMD, Saddam Used WMD, Saddam didn't show proof he destroyed said WMD. Oh and incase you didn't understand - Saddam said he had WMD, Saddam Used WMD, Saddam didn't show proof he destroyed said WMD.

CkG

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Not only were many duped willingly, apparently they still are.

 

[Moonbeam]

Waking up is hard to do.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Not only were many duped willingly, apparently they still are.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Waking up is hard to do.

So that's what happened to Neil Sedaka!

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
3) Bush in Normandy ? Not a Clinton Repeat EDIT -scroll down to heading

Wow, that Neal Boortz is one sassy bastard. Is this where you get all your hateful little diatribes about Clinton?

And Why Do I Still Bring Up the Clintons?

Or, as the left would like to phrase it, "bash" the Clintons? Because they're still powerful, that's why. Bill is still corrupt. He's still a sociopath, and he's still without any moral scruples at all. Hillary is still a socialist, she's still a liar, she's still drunk with a desire for power ... and she intends to run for president.

They're dangerous, and I'll continue to point out their threat and their dishonesty as long as we are all around.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
3) Bush in Normandy ? Not a Clinton Repeat EDIT -scroll down to heading

Wow, that Neal Boortz is one sassy bastard. Is this where you get all your hateful little diatribes about Clinton?

And Why Do I Still Bring Up the Clintons?

Or, as the left would like to phrase it, "bash" the Clintons? Because they're still powerful, that's why. Bill is still corrupt. He's still a sociopath, and he's still without any moral scruples at all. Hillary is still a socialist, she's still a liar, she's still drunk with a desire for power ... and she intends to run for president.

They're dangerous, and I'll continue to point out their threat and their dishonesty as long as we are all around.

Care to defend the part about His planned cross making incedent? Hmm...didn't think so.

Now THAT my freind makes ME sick! I wonder what the excuse there would have been if the press actually called him on it? Hmmm...

CkG

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUYCare to defend the part about His planned cross making incedent? Hmm...didn't think so.

Now THAT my freind makes ME sick! I wonder what the excuse there would have been if the press actually called him on it? Hmmm...

CkG

Cad, you keep forgetting that I don't give two sh*ts about Clinton. Whatever. What's your point this time? That Bush = Clinton = AOK. I thought we were past that already

<*sigh*>

 

[Moonbeam]

When you have two titanic assholes like Bush and Clinton it's very important to figure out which is the more titanic of the two. It would be the dumber one.

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: MonstaThrilla

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
umm, wasn't there a 12-14 month build-up of troops before the war?

So please share in your revelation - what exactly is "the real" reason he(Bush) started the war?

For cheap political advantage.

1) It was used as the main platform of the the Republican Party to win the 2002 midterms. The Democrats, spinelessly and unwisely, tried to push the war resolution through quickly so they could move the election issues towards the weak economy. In a stroke of genius that should be expected from Karl Rove, Bush kept the buildup with Iraq the hot issue of the time. Bush campaigned at vital states for the Republican candidates. He was able to unseat a Vietnam hero who gave 3 of his limbs for this country from his Senate seat and replace him with a no name hack. The Democrats were caught with their pants down and beaten as badly as they deserved to be.

I will NEVER forgive GWB for attacking then Georgia Senator Max Cleland for being unpatriotic. Cleland served bravely in Vietnam and lost 3 limbs fighting in that war during a grenade attack. GWB and now-Senator Saxby Chambliss who did not serve due to a "bad knee." attacked Mr. Cleland for not being patriotic for supporting a deferent version of the Homeland Security Department Bill - a idea that DEMOCRATS first proposed. Chambliss with the help of Karl Rove put up ads with Osama bin Laden and Cleland suggesting that he voted against Homeland Security Department (a bald-faced lie).
In Georgia, Chambliss Keeps Heat on Cleland

I do not understand why Democrats will want to work with GWB and compromise with him if he will turn around and cut you down every chance he gets. Why work with this guy? Everytime I see good ol' boy Saxby's smug pug face, I want to scream!

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
When you have two titanic assholes like Bush and Clinton it's very important to figure out which is the more titanic of the two. It would be the dumber one.

Are you calling me titanic..? I'm telling on you... so there.

Mommy... Moonbeam is calling me and Bush titanic... just cuz were dumb...