Do you consider Pakistan as a good country?

[Mir96TA]

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Country and religion are two different things..........
India is third largest country in Islamic world
Second largest religion in India is Islam
India have 177,286,XXX Muslims which 90% of total population of Pakistan!
So essentially Pakistani Muslims are very similar Muslims then they are India.
Your question is like Gujarat is s good province in India ?
Or Asking is Narendra Modi is a Good PM for India ? He been know for Butcher of Gujarat !
He played Genocide in Gujarat which is no better then what happen in Bangladesh 1971! ( I wish india was stayed out of Pakistan's internal affairs)

 

[Braznor]

That's not the logical result of the sort of blanket condemnation you're assigning to them.

First, are you saying all of their clergy, not just clergy who are known to support terrorism?

Second, you're not saying to monitor non-clergy who are doing things like travelling to the region and supporting ISIL?

Third, if a member of the clergy does say something in favor of ISIL, what do you suggest be done to them? Deny them free speech and make an opinion a crime and jail them?

Fourth, how do you suggest they be monitored? Everything they say somehow tracked? Human or electronic surveillance in every room they talk to people in?

Your attacks ojn Islam generally don't match small measures against them.

Please point out when I advocated genocide against Muslims? To criticize Islam is my standard right, many Anandtech members do so and so will I. To be frank, I criticize my own religion too.

Its the standard left behavior to be alarmist when none is needed and to be quiet when the world is burning down.

 

[inachu]

If I had any choice in the matter I would reabsorb Pakistan back into India. What they did is just what the russians jews tried to do in Russia in the war called RED OCTOBER.

Immigrate to said country. Claim to be one of them but keeping a separate voice and ideology then years later try to split the country up.

Scotland is not like this as it was the eu that latched onto them as they did to Ireland.

I hope the scotts also rename certain towns and named named after london.

 

[Orignal Earl]

To be frank, I criticize my own religion too.

Hinduism is not a religion though right?
It's more a way of life, Dharma

 

[Braznor]

Hinduism is not a religion though right?
It's more a way of life, Dharma

Hinduism is an amalgamation of many beliefs, faiths and philosophical outlooks.

 

[Craig234]

Please point out when I advocated genocide against Muslims? To criticize Islam is my standard right, many Anandtech members do so and so will I. To be frank, I criticize my own religion too.

Its the standard left behavior to be alarmist when none is needed and to be quiet when the world is burning down.

You sure like to attack groups of people with broad generalizations.

Your posts about Muslims exhibit a serious hostility toward them. You're making blanket attacks, insulting them as a group with sarcastic condemnation of them ('the glory of Islam' as shown by a 1971 genocide), using history like that to condemn them as a group, saying that all groups of Muslims will do such things (you said almost all have, and the few who haven't will).

That sort of mental attitude towards a group is classic for hate mongers, who can always provide some case they're 'right' to hate as they do.

Imagine a 1930's German person saying how Jewish people are scum who will always destroy any society they're in and endanger their well-being.

That person didn't explicitly call for genocide, but they are paving the way for the sort of hate that will support it.

That's how it works. First the blanket condemnation of a group, rehashing the case against them whatever it is - remember that 1971 genocide - and building up hate until that hate needs an outlet. At some point just getting nods of agreement won't do it - what are you going to do about that nasty threat?

The type of hate you posted isn't 'no problem' and your false attack on liberals doesn't change that. It's hate speech, even if you don't understand that.

You think you're just some good guy warning the world of the menace of those lousy people. Who will threaten anyone they're around because that's who they are.

Unfortunately, when someone has that going on, it's not easy to do much to help them. All you can do is point it out to others for what it is, hate speech.

And defense of 'but they DID do those things' that make up your careful list of wrongs misses the issue.

Hate speech - the exaggerated, one-sided condemnation of a group of people - is the breeding ground for bigotry, hate, and discrimination.

It's wrong. But it's not easy to find an antidote for a person who has been poisoned.

 

[Braznor]

You sure like to attack groups of people with broad generalizations.

Your posts about Muslims exhibit a serious hostility toward them. You're making blanket attacks, insulting them as a group with sarcastic condemnation of them ('the glory of Islam' as shown by a 1971 genocide), using history like that to condemn them as a group, saying that all groups of Muslims will do such things (you said almost all have, and the few who haven't will).

That sort of mental attitude towards a group is classic for hate mongers, who can always provide some case they're 'right' to hate as they do.

Imagine a 1930's German person saying how Jewish people are scum who will always destroy any society they're in and endanger their well-being.

That person didn't explicitly call for genocide, but they are paving the way for the sort of hate that will support it.

That's how it works. First the blanket condemnation of a group, rehashing the case against them whatever it is - remember that 1971 genocide - and building up hate until that hate needs an outlet. At some point just getting nods of agreement won't do it - what are you going to do about that nasty threat?

The type of hate you posted isn't 'no problem' and your false attack on liberals doesn't change that. It's hate speech, even if you don't understand that.

You think you're just some good guy warning the world of the menace of those lousy people. Who will threaten anyone they're around because that's who they are.

Unfortunately, when someone has that going on, it's not easy to do much to help them. All you can do is point it out to others for what it is, hate speech.

And defense of 'but they DID do those things' that make up your careful list of wrongs misses the issue.

Hate speech - the exaggerated, one-sided condemnation of a group of people - is the breeding ground for bigotry, hate, and discrimination.

It's wrong. But it's not easy to find an antidote for a person who has been poisoned.

. It is not my fault if Pakistan itself uses Islam as a basis for causing trouble everywhere. Again it is not my fault that the same Islam itself is used as a tool for instigating trouble all around the world.

You claim my speech is exaggerated and one sided, but you fail to realize the same goes for your end too. I have nothing against the average Muslim person, but only condemn all that is happening in the name of Islam.

And using Nazi Germany to try explain me is the ultimate facepalm worthy inspiring piece of comparison. Keep going with the alarmist tone that has no basis in reality

 

[Remobz]

Hell NO!

 

[maxi007]

its not a good country , a country where guns are sold just as chocolates might not be the safe place. some years ago srilankan cricket team was attacked in pakistan dusing the tour .so think even 11 players are not safe with security .

 

[marlena]

These things aren't really suited for good and bad as an answer usually.

Take Germany. Are they 'good' or 'bad' because of how they are now and how they were in the world wars?

Take China. Are they good or bad, from their ancient history, their history as a dictatorship, their brutal Maoist period, their current situation as a major US partner?

How do we compare Japan and China - with Japan now and the history of WWII?

How do we evaluate Pakistan, with their history breaking off from India, the great hostility they have with India, their being used by the US yet also supporting terrorist groups? It's not useful to say a simple label. It would be helpful to better understand their views, their issues, their policies good and bad, why they do things, what makes sense for them to do to do better, how they can be incented to do so, whether we're part of the problem sometimes, etc.

Is Cuba good or bad? Do we look at the political repression and economic problems (made much worse by our pointless sanctions)? The medical care they help others with?

Saying 'that country is bad' is a formula for making people feel it's ok to act badly to the country and cause problems.

The USSR was 'bad' in a lot of ways, but was a better relationship better - or the Americans who said they were bad who wanted to launch a nuclear first-strike?

If the US had launched a large nuclear first strike against the USSR to 'protect ourselves', would we be a 'bad country' for it? Who could say that, why would it matter?

How many bad things does a country do by approaching issues based on 'we're a good country and they're a bad country'?

As Pakistan looks at the many civilians in Pakistan killed by our drone strikes, as they look at the effect of our launching a proxy war in Afghanistan with Russia by building up fundamentalist groups, at our influence in the region to pursue our own interests from removing democracy in Iran to starting war, do they think we're a good country?

Who is pursuing a 'good agenda' in the world rather than one based on their own interests even if it includes some wrong?

There are policies by powerful countries, and some are 'better' and some are 'worse', but how often are they aimed at helping a region as the main goal?

I really like your answer Craig 234. 'Pakistan' as a country is made up of millions of people with conflicting views - some of which we consider good and some bad. Presently there's a number of political parties fighting against the corruption of the government and trying to piece the country together into something better than it is. I'm not Pakistani nor muslim but I have travelled to Pakistan for business around 5 times now and have some very close friends there. From some very interesting political discussions with actual Pakistani people living and surviving in Pakistan ahat i see is a country with a lot of internal conflict and deeply rooted corruption that is trying to climb out of the rut that its in while actually NOT being helped by other 'helpful' countries which keep sending aid money that constantly ends up in the same corrupt government's hands that the majority of the population is actually trying to get rid of. So is the country bad? Or is it bad that a number of powerful western countries are actually feeding the corruption that then comes back and slaps them in the face?