Do you believe/trust in democracy?

[fhdtrj]

This is a serious question. What do you think? Personally I think it is BS. It might work in Switzerland, but otherwise no.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

I believe in and trust democracy but, I don't believe in nor trust politicians.

 

[IronWing]

Democracy is the second best system to everybody just doing what I want.

 

[Lyfer]

Wrong forum. I'm on team ketchup on a hotdog.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Who was the op before he was banned?

 

[fhdtrj]

Who was the op before he was banned?

Hey, I am a true first poster!

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

Hey, I am a true first poster!

So, a sock puppet then. No one begins a political thread in ATOT as their first post.

 

[IronWing]

Bye Mayne.

 

[fhdtrj]

So, a sock puppet then. No one begins a political thread in ATOT as their first post.

This is my first AT post. I am sorry . I didnt intend to make this to a political post, more about your thoughts about the subject.

BTW, I have never been banned from any forum, during the whole of my forum-life, that I have been (more or less) "active" on forums (2005-2016?). Perhaps this will be the first time? This is my first 2016 post/thread.

 

[DigDog]

let's hope not.

 

[BoomerD]

We here in the US of A don't have a democracy. We have a democratic republic. There IS a difference.

 

[IronWing]

We here in the US of A don't have a democracy. We have a democratic republic. There IS a difference.

Shut up.

 

[fhdtrj]

We here in the US of A don't have a democracy. We have a democratic republic. There IS a difference.

Really? How does does USA differ from the People's Republic of China (for example?) D:

 

[BoomerD]

Really? How does does USA differ from the People's Republic of China (for example?) D:

I'm sorry...it's not my job to properly educate you on the various types of political systems in the world. You want to know...figure it out yourself.

 

[feralkid]

Bye Mayne.

+1

 

[fhdtrj]

I'm sorry...it's not my job to properly educate you on the various types of political systems in the world. You want to know...figure it out yourself.

oh, I am afraid I know these things (I am a no-lifer :'( ), but please input your own arguments/opinions. D:

 

[Thebobo]

This is a serious question. What do you think? Personally I think it is BS. It might work in Switzerland, but otherwise no.

I think you are posting in the wrong thread.

 

[ImpulsE69]

When your two choices are Trump and Hillary...it's an idiocracy.

 

[brianmanahan]

I'm sorry...it's not my job to properly educate you on the various types of political systems in the world. You want to know...figure it out yourself.

maybe nobody has translated the relevant wiki pages to finnish

 

[Greenman]

We here in the US of A don't have a democracy. We have a democratic republic. There IS a difference.

We have a constitutional republic.
Democracy is based on the idea that a million stupid people will make better decisions than one stupid person. You can't increase a sum by adding zeros.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I believe in the system, unfortunately none of the leaders are to be trusted with it. In a way I find communism is a better system, but that is even MORE open to abuse by politicians. In principle it's better, but in reality it's not.

The way democracy SHOULD work is that we get to vote on everything, not just the leaders. I'm not really sure exactly how this would work logistically, but any big enough decision that is being made should have the people's input on it. It could be as simple as getting a ballot in the mail once a month, and you can vote for all the issues at hand for that time. Basically yes/no. The voting would be optional so idea is you vote on the stuff that you care the most about. You can urge others to vote for specific things as well and inform them, such as the TPP. Of course it could be done online too, you would just input your ballot number. But online voting tends to be a can of worms because nobody seems to know anything about security anymore and sites get hacked left and right.

 

[alcoholbob]

It depends. Democracy can work with a high IQ, educated population. I believe a Finnish scientist in the 1980s did a study and found lower IQ populations (mean of 90 and below) tend to do better in standards of living in an authoritarian or monarchical system than direct democracy, since they tend to vote for the wrong things.

If that's true this obviously doesn't bode well for Europe or the US doing decades of wholesale importation of low IQ 3rd world populations, since the long term trend would be that the voting patterns and cultural standards would revert to the mean of the nations that these populations came from.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Nope.

What happens if the US military decides that this is a banana republic or African shithole and en masse stages a coup? Do you think if 53% of the populace votes that they should stop they're going to drop their weapons and go home? Democracy is a sham, it works until somebody amasses enough power to override it.

And American isn't really a democracy anyway. We're an oligarchy/plutocracy.

 

[Greenman]

I believe in the system, unfortunately none of the leaders are to be trusted with it. In a way I find communism is a better system, but that is even MORE open to abuse by politicians. In principle it's better, but in reality it's not.

The way democracy SHOULD work is that we get to vote on everything, not just the leaders. I'm not really sure exactly how this would work logistically, but any big enough decision that is being made should have the people's input on it. It could be as simple as getting a ballot in the mail once a month, and you can vote for all the issues at hand for that time. Basically yes/no. The voting would be optional so idea is you vote on the stuff that you care the most about. You can urge others to vote for specific things as well and inform them, such as the TPP. Of course it could be done online too, you would just input your ballot number. But online voting tends to be a can of worms because nobody seems to know anything about security anymore and sites get hacked left and right.

That is a recipe for disaster. When the voters discover they can vote themselves anything they want, they'll do it. Universal health care, guaranteed minimum income, guaranteed housing, generous social security benefits, 30 hour work week, low taxes, the list is endless, and costly. In a small homogeneous society with a strong work ethic and a desire to make the system work, you could pull it off. In the US, 80% of the population would do nothing but watch tv and eat.

 

[sandorski]

Voted "yes", but it depends on what you mean by "Democracy". There is a very specific definition that no Nation uses, then there are hybrid systems that use certain aspects of Democracy and are often called "Democracies". It is the latter I trust more than alternative systems.