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Do you agree that both NVIDIA and ATI are screwing you over with their SLI and CROSSFIRE?

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CHfan4ever

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I remember not that long ago, when a new card was release, it was totally awesome.It was kicking their previous generation and totally improving frame rate etc.

But is it me or there is now 2 generations of card like that we just see small increase in performance.This performance yeah is bigger, the higher resolution your going, but, let say, the normal game, who play his game in 1024 or max 1280, well must be dissapointed with the last 2 series of card that got release.

Im someone who play all my games in 1280x1024..and to be honest...i dont see, well there is a little difference,but to be honest, in some game i really dont see the difference with my old 9800 pro ( considering that im always playing,even with my 6800gt, with 4x af /2xq AA( and most of the time, i always turn off AA because i dont see the difference ).I just dont see the point of playing with 16x aF...i dont see the difference...

exemple, take a game like far cry.With the 9800 pro.Average FPS is around 55.With the 6800 ultra its at 78..with the 7800....its...at 80.And look the review ( this is just far cry here http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=2367&s=15 ) and youll understand.Just a little improvement over the 6800 ultra.

My point is, that iv got the feeling that both nvidia and ati have start something big.When you were investing $400 buck on a card a few years ago, you were seeing this major improvement.Today YES we can see a major improvment too...but at the cost of SLI or CROSSFIRE.So to give you the improvement you were use to receive...now you gotta spend 2x as much as before, in order to get the satisfaction level you were use to receive.

And you know what...you the customer are paying 😀..but guess what.I am not!I was extremely dissapointed with my 6800gt compare to my old 9800 pro...but guess what?Im not going after a 7800 or a 6800 SLI or anything else.For the only few games PC market is giving me per year.It doesnt worth it at all.Not like before.I have spend hundres and hundreads in PC upgrade to keep up and now im saying its just enough.Enough already.

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Based on what I've read and seen, the 7800GTX is not a small improvement.

Comparable performance of a single card to 6800 SLi'd Ultras is very, very good.

Add the amazing transparent anti-aliasing and there you go.

All this and more for a price that, of course is expensive, but still the same as a single 6800 Ultra not too long ago.

In the United States, that is. 😉


Hey, I had to throw in a little Sweden-bashing here.
 
oth SLI and crossfire are just for extremely insane people or those drive a $100,000 MB AMG car at the age of 18!
 
I think the 6800 and the x800 series are the largest increases I have ever seen over the previous generation... 😕

The 7800 is a damn good increase over the 6800 series and we havn't even seen ATI's next gen yet.
 
i still think that both ati and nvidia are able to put the horse power of SLI cards into 1 easily.They just give you the excuse of that "Ohh Cool SLI feature " so you spend 2x more for what you are supposed to get.

Yop..and after it will be SLI2 with FOUR video card...huh? Why not lol
 
Originally posted by: ifesfor
i still think that both ati and nvidia are able to put the horse power of SLI cards into 1 easily.They just give you the excuse of that "Ohh Cool SLI feature " so you spend 2x more for what you are supposed to get.

Yop..and after it will be SLI2 with FOUR video card...huh? Why not lol
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they probably could but the problem is the card manufacturers probably dont want to be stuck with dual core cards and prefer the method of sticking two seperate cards together.
 
There will be people who will buy four video cards, $1500 CPU's and premium 4x1GB sticks of RAM.

I hope to be one of them some day. 😀
 
I really am at a loss here. I truly don't know where or why folks like you get your animosity toward SLI/Xfire from Ifestor. It's almost twisted. Why don't you tell us what is really bothering you?

Is it really because you won't buy an SLI setup? Or is it that you cannot and are bitter at those who can? I can't afford it either, but you won't see me going above and beyond to discredit the most cutting edge gaming technology in existance. What is up man?

I agree that you must be smoking something if you think an NV40 was not a MAMMOTH improvement over NV30/35. And that a 7800GTX is not a MAMMOTH improvement over an NV40 (although not as large a jump from NV35 to NV40)

A big problem in these forums is, nobody admits to their agenda because agenda's are usually kept private. So people will cook up this long song and dance and a 1000 word paragraph in the form of a rant. So sick of this.

Please enlighten us.
 
Originally posted by: ifesfor
exemple, take a game like far cry.With the 9800 pro.Average FPS is around 55.With the 6800 ultra its at 78..with the 7800....its...at 80.And look the review ( this is just far cry here http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=2367&s=15 ) and youll understand.Just a little improvement over the 6800 ultra.
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Um the card is CPU limited at that resolution. If you look at the SLi configs they barely make a difference at that rez. Check out 6800 u vs 7800gtx at 16x12 with AA and AF a little further down. 43 vs 55 FPS this is a 25% improvement. I dont see the problem.

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=Nzg0LDEx

HL2
7800gtx min 41 max234 avg 113.4 1600x1200 4xtraa 16xaf
6800u min 27 max 162 avg 82.9 1600x1200 2xaa 16xaf

Almost 100% improvement over 6800u minimum frame rate with better settings... youre right this card is a total waste of space 🙄

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=Nzg0LDEz (second set of benchs)

SC:CT 7800gtx gets approx same framerates as 6800u however 7800gtx is at 1600x1200 instead of 1280x1024

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_7800_gtx/page14.asp

Farcry (your pick)

HDR 1600x1200
7800gtx 29.9
6800u 19.5
(greater than a 50% improvement)

FINAL CONCLUSION

You are an uneducated troll!!!~~!1eleven
 
Add to the list AMD's new FX-57 processor. And 10k raptor HDDs. And 30" LCDs. :roll:

Naturally, because *I* don't see a use for those things, that means they *must* be an evil scam perpetuated by technology companies (and quite possibly the Black Pope as well) to bleed consumers dry.

Oh, wait, I have an idea :light: Why not make a product that has SEVERAL different models so that those who want the fastest and best can purchase that for a premium, and those that are more budget-conscious can purchase a lower-end model?

Man, I am liking this idea a lot. I think I'm gonna run with it.

/crossing fingers

This could be the break I need to finally move out of my parents' attic.
 
I can see his point though. Doesn't it seem like to get the same X increment of performance in next generation products, we are paying twice as much as we used to pay?

It's not a complaint about having new technology, but rather about the ever increasing price/performance ratio.
 
Originally posted by: X
I can see his point though. Doesn't it seem like to get the same X increment of performance in next generation products, we are paying twice as much as we used to pay?

It's not a complaint about having new technology, but rather about the ever increasing price/performance ratio.
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Consumers are to blame. If we didnt buy these cards at those prices the retailers would never price them so high.
 
That's true...it all boils down to supply and demand. It's not like we should expect Nvidia and ATI to give us performance out of the goodness of their hearts :evil:
 
Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I really am at a loss here. I truly don't know where or why folks like you get your animosity toward SLI/Xfire from Ifestor. It's almost twisted. Why don't you tell us what is really bothering you?

Is it really because you won't buy an SLI setup? Or is it that you cannot and are bitter at those who can? I can't afford it either, but you won't see me going above and beyond to discredit the most cutting edge gaming technology in existance. What is up man?

I agree that you must be smoking something if you think an NV40 was not a MAMMOTH improvement over NV30/35. And that a 7800GTX is not a MAMMOTH improvement over an NV40 (although not as large a jump from NV35 to NV40)

A big problem in these forums is, nobody admits to their agenda because agenda's are usually kept private. So people will cook up this long song and dance and a 1000 word paragraph in the form of a rant. So sick of this.

Please enlighten us.
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Best post I have read here in awhile...
 
i still think that both ati and nvidia are able to put the horse power of SLI cards into 1 easily.
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Running dual chips with redundnat memory they can and last I knew you could already buy them that way too, although not too many people like the incredibly high price.

they probably could but the problem is the card manufacturers probably dont want to be stuck with dual core cards
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Dual core a high end GPU- not a prayer in he!l. The 7800GTX is packing in excess of 300Million transistors and is chewing up a die space of about 300mm squared- there is no chance that they could make a 'dual core' offering with twice the processing power of the GTX- it is NOT POSSIBLE today. If you really want to get down to the way modern GPUs function then you would actually be talking about the 7800GTX as a quad core GPU already- you are asking that they go to eight cores. The new dual core chips from AMD and Intel are using about 230Million transistors- you think they could manage to get five cores on a single die right now? No way, but this is directly comparable to what you are asking nV/ATi to do when you start talking about making GPUs 'multi core'.

The multi core element of the CPU market started as increasing clockspeeds was no longer working in terms of proper ROI so instead of focusing on smaller faster cores they decided to make larger more powerful cores. GPUs have been built this way all along- there is never going to be the same kind of shift in GPUs as there is currently in CPUs because they started out that way in the first place. If they hadn't, we would be looking at four pipe(single quad) GPUs pushing several GHZ instead of four quad(sixteen pipe) several hundred MHZ parts.
 
Originally posted by: ifesfor
I remember not that long ago, when a new card was release, it was totally awesome.It was kicking their previous generation and totally improving frame rate etc.

But is it me or there is now 2 generations of card like that we just see small increase in performance.This performance yeah is bigger, the higher resolution your going, but, let say, the normal game, who play his game in 1024 or max 1280, well must be dissapointed with the last 2 series of card that got release.

Im someone who play all my games in 1280x1024..and to be honest...i dont see, well there is a little difference,but to be honest, in some game i really dont see the difference with my old 9800 pro ( considering that im always playing,even with my 6800gt, with 4x af /2xq AA( and most of the time, i always turn off AA because i dont see the difference ).I just dont see the point of playing with 16x aF...i dont see the difference...

exemple, take a game like far cry.With the 9800 pro.Average FPS is around 55.With the 6800 ultra its at 78..with the 7800....its...at 80.And look the review ( this is just far cry here http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=2367&s=15 ) and youll understand.Just a little improvement over the 6800 ultra.

My point is, that iv got the feeling that both nvidia and ati have start something big.When you were investing $400 buck on a card a few years ago, you were seeing this major improvement.Today YES we can see a major improvment too...but at the cost of SLI or CROSSFIRE.So to give you the improvement you were use to receive...now you gotta spend 2x as much as before, in order to get the satisfaction level you were use to receive.

And you know what...you the customer are paying 😀..but guess what.I am not!I was extremely dissapointed with my 6800gt compare to my old 9800 pro...but guess what?Im not going after a 7800 or a 6800 SLI or anything else.For the only few games PC market is giving me per year.It doesnt worth it at all.Not like before.I have spend hundres and hundreads in PC upgrade to keep up and now im saying its just enough.Enough already.

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You are definately having issues!!
When I upgraded from a 9800 Pro to a 6800GT on my P4 2.8GHz rig, I enjoyed much smoother gameplay with UT2004, CS:S even @1024x768.
AF I can't say much about, but AA makes a whole lot of differences.
 
and most of the time, i always turn off AA because i dont see the difference
ignorance is bliss 🙂

they're not screwing anybody over. if u have the money, u can get 1.5x the performance for 2x the money. this would make sense if you are a rich guy who likes to blow your money on fast computers. if u dont do that, you can get a regular card for regular performance. why should this even be a discussion?
 
Originally posted by: ifesfor

( and most of the time, i always turn off AA because i dont see the difference ).I just dont see the point of playing with 16x aF...i dont see the difference...
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Only person ripped off was you, by your back-alley optometrist. Go to real doctor and get glasses that works.

 
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