Do we need a moderate in the White House to mend the divisions in our country?

[[DHT]Osiris]

Look Doctor, I know you think I'm insane but can't we work out a compromise. I just want out of this cell for one day a week so I can go murder people. Try to be reasonable, please.

Clearly, if someone says 2+2=4, and another says 2+2=6, you must compromise on 5.

 

[Ajay]

Hmm, too bad we can't outlaw Fox - it would be a good start to mending the country.

 

[dank69]

Fuck no and fuck anyone that even considers this a good idea.

 

[dank69]

I would counter that 60% does, and the rest are disenfranchised independents tired of the people trying to shout over other people’s fingers.

Yeah "independents" that will unconsciously rattle off 100 "reasons" why liberals suck any time they feel pressured to vote against the GOP.

 

[fleshconsumed]

A moderate in the WH won't mend our divisions. We're at the point of a cold civil war, and nothing short of half dying will mend that. We're in this for the long haul, at least the next 1-2 decades, until the current crop of whatever you call people that fell to the right of Republicans dies of old age.

Going to take longer than 1-2 decades. His support among 50-65 age group is virtually identical to 65+ age group. It'll take 30+ years for all of them to die of the old age. I just wish young people 18+ would care more about going to the polls.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

If the Kavanaugh vote showed us anything, it's that there is no such thing as a moderate Republican. Obama bent over backwards to get Republican support for the ACA despite it being modeled on Romney's healthcare plan he implemented in Massachusetts and very much like the plan Grasley, Dole, Gingrich, etc called for in the early 90s. And all they did was spend a year screwing around and adding amendments and still no support for a pretty conservative health plan for the nation. I'd say there could be no compromise in this nation until Mitch McConnell dies, but surely someone even worse would replace him with how far the right has become radicalized by the right wing media.

 

[UNCjigga]

If the Kavanaugh vote showed us anything, it's that there is no such thing as a moderate Republican. Obama bent over backwards to get Republican support for the ACA despite it being modeled on Romney's healthcare plan he implemented in Massachusetts and very much like the plan Grasley, Dole, Gingrich, etc called for in the early 90s. And all they did was spend a year screwing around and adding amendments and still no support for a pretty conservative health plan for the nation. I'd say there could be no compromise in this nation until Mitch McConnell dies, but surely someone even worse would replace him with how far the right has become radicalized by the right wing media.

I think moderate Republicans left the party long ago during the Clinton reign. That’s what irked the GOP so much—how some White trash liberals from Arkansas cane to power by stealing their older playbook. The GOP responded with a morality crusade (Gingrich > W) that failed when people realized they have no morals.

Anyway, I think there’s a real question about whether a Bloomberg/Klobuchar/Buttigieg can appeal to the “broader” base of moderate Dems, or whether a radical lefty like Bernie is what we need to expand the traditional electorate (bring back poorer whites and add younger voters/more African Americans and Latinos.)

 

[JSt0rm]

you cant mend racist shit bags.

 

[Ajay]

Hmm, too bad we can't outlaw Fox - it would be a good start to mending the country.

Fuck no and fuck anyone that even considers this a good idea.

Sarcasm meter broken?

 

[JSt0rm]

Hmm, too bad we can't outlaw Fox - it would be a good start to mending the country.

Sarcasm meter broken?

A lot of that right wing propaganda borders on sedition. Have a trial and hang a few of them for treason and watch all the grifting off dumb peoples anger go away.

 

[nakedfrog]

Hmm, too bad we can't outlaw Fox - it would be a good start to mending the country.

Sarcasm meter broken?

He could very well have been responding to the question in the thread title, and not you.

 

[Jhhnn]

Going to take longer than 1-2 decades. His support among 50-65 age group is virtually identical to 65+ age group. It'll take 30+ years for all of them to die of the old age. I just wish young people 18+ would care more about going to the polls.

That's not virtually identical. 48>46>42. It's also not a majority.

 

[ElFenix]

He was from Kenosha, not Neptune and he wasn't blue when you put him down there.

hello wisconsin!

 

[Moonbeam]

you cant mend racist shit bags.

You can, but American culture is so sick it won't happen in the numbers needed to change. It can happen in the military for example when that 'other' risks his life to cover your ass again and again.

 

[JSt0rm]

You can, but American culture is so sick it won't happen in the numbers needed to change. It can happen in the military for example when that 'other' risks his life to cover your ass again and again.

so eternal war is a good thing.

 

[shortylickens]

I dont know if a Good President is enough to counter the term of a bad president in America. A lot of our hate and discontent comes from propaganda machines like Fox News and russian trolls. Which tells me corporations and other countries are the real problem, and we'd need solutions for those things.
You gotta remember Donald didnt make America. He was brainwashed by Rupert Murdoch same as all the others.

 

[Atreus21]

All I keep hearing is establishment Democrats fearing a far left candidate. That they won't be able to beat trump with a socialist. I think more important than beating trump, is we need a moderate willing to listen and compromise with both sides of the aisle. Republican or Democrat. Let's face it, we are dangerously fractured and extremism is prevailing. These divisions are a weakness in our country our enemies are exploiting and will continue to exploit. Nobody can defeat use in a conventional war, but all it takes is some foreign geeks with internet access to fan the fire with information warfare. They will have won without ever firing a shot. An extremist Trump or an extremist Democrat is not the solution.

What do you guys think?

I think the culture war we've fought amongst ourselves since the postwar is coming to a climax, and that explains the ever widening fracture. I don't know if it'll come this year or rage on into the future, but I just get the impression things are coming to a head.

A truly moderate president is difficult to imagine in this environment.

 

[Moonbeam]

so eternal war is a good thing.

War ends when the enemy pleas for forgiveness and follows through with actions that indicate seriousness.

 

[JSt0rm]

War ends when the enemy pleas for forgiveness and follows through with actions that indicate seriousness.

that would be in total war. We dont wage total war.

 

[Jhhnn]

I think the culture war we've fought amongst ourselves since the postwar is coming to a climax, and that explains the ever widening fracture. I don't know if it'll come this year or rage on into the future, but I just get the impression things are coming to a head.

A truly moderate president is difficult to imagine in this environment.

Conservative culture warriors are victim to one of the oldest propaganda tricks in the book- Tell them they're being attacked! Tell them to be afraid & to buy more guns. When the forces of Capitalism are beating them down from the top, tell them it's high taxes, job stealing immigrants & the moochin' Poors dragging them down. Even as Multinational Capitalism reaches for higher levels of organization & power, tell 'em that rugged individualism will counter that & that they should feel guilty for being weak when it doesn't.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Didn't read topic, straight to OP's point:

I don't think it's as much a question of left or right or moderate, it's that we need someone who understands the power of the office and won't treat it like the farce it has become under Trump.

 

[Moonbeam]

that would be in total war. We dont wage total war.

This is why you want the side with mercy always always to win. It has to be total for there will be no reciprocity of mercy from the other side.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Yeah "independents" that will unconsciously rattle off 100 "reasons" why liberals suck any time they feel pressured to vote against the GOP.

Not sucking is always an option

 

[Victorian Gray]

that would be in total war. We dont wage total war.

What would you call Nagasaki, Dresden, Tokyo, Hamburg and Hiroshima if not examples of total war.

 

[dawp]

He was from Kenosha, not Neptune and he wasn't blue when you put him down there.

Kenosha is my hometown, actually, and no, I'm no where near moderate

and no, we don't need a moderate in the WH who the right would just bulldoze right over. we need people from the left that would do to the republicans what they did to the left.